V1650! Version 1.5 released!

[General Brewster]

Awesome thanks!

[The Vengur]

New Campaign screens are up.

[General Brewster]

For the new version of V1650 the V1650 team wants to know what you want!

Do you want better artillery do you feel that you're faction is left out ?
Leave a message with what you want for the next version of V1650!

[Taraphir]

Hello General Brewster. Maybe you can find something interesting for your project on these Sites:

http://vocwarfare.net/
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/other/vocships.html
http://www.vocsite.nl/schepen/index.html ( Its in Dutch. I´m therefore reckon you know this Site already)

[General Brewster]

Thank you very much !

[Renatuz]

General Sir,
where can I find the 'modmanager' to get this mod running? I am not a great IT-man and like mod's with a .exe extension more because that does all the installation work...
The location to put the script was not clear neither... :o(

Thanks!

First tips that are allready on my mind;
-

[Renatuz]

Here perhaps some ideas:

- New York should be dutch in the start position, historically it was so untill 1664
- NL should have 2 harbours so we do not have to chose between a marine or a commercial harbour (perhaps add Rotterdam) This reflects better the naval capacity of the time
- due to the shallowness of NL harbours it should not be possible to have 1st Rate ships of the line. (the technology should be available though for in other harbours overseas just like Spain did in Cuba)
- I do not know if you are going to alter the maps, but if you would like to put more accent on the East Indies you could check out Siam Total War (through Moddb)
- The dutch naval technology should be very advanced allready at 1650 so that they could be able to have those big navy batlles like the 4 days battle or the Battle at Schooneveld on 6/6/1673
- Our biggest ships at that time had maximum 82 guns, the english had 4 of more than 100.

Rgds,

Renatuz

[General Brewster]

General Sir,
where can I find the 'modmanager' to get this mod running? I am not a great IT-man and like mod's with a .exe extension more because that does all the installation work...
The location to put the script was not clear neither... :o(

Thanks!

First tips that are allready on my mind;
-

Probably the folder that you need is not visible by default on you're computer i recommend use of modmanager

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/attac...3&d=1253984165

i shall add it to the opening post to for other people

Here perhaps some ideas:

- New York should be dutch in the start position, historically it was so untill 1664
- NL should have 2 harbours so we do not have to chose between a marine or a commercial harbour (perhaps add Rotterdam) This reflects better the naval capacity of the time
- due to the shallowness of NL harbours it should not be possible to have 1st Rate ships of the line. (the technology should be available though for in other harbours overseas just like Spain did in Cuba)
- I do not know if you are going to alter the maps, but if you would like to put more accent on the East Indies you could check out Siam Total War (through Moddb)
- The dutch naval technology should be very advanced allready at 1650 so that they could be able to have those big navy batlles like the 4 days battle or the Battle at Schooneveld on 6/6/1673
- Our biggest ships at that time had maximum 82 guns, the english had 4 of more than 100.

Rgds,

Renatuz

New York is in NL possession, we cant add an other harbor to the Netherlands and the one there is the port of Rotterdam, ships are a central point in the upcoming version of V1650. We are not altering maps as we have no one who knows how to do that and as you will see the dutch can recruit proper ships for the era

Also De Zeven Provinciën is added as a special dutch only ship as you will see
In case you did not notice I myself am Dutch with interest in the era so things will be as historical as can be

[Taraphir]

Adrian74´s units for this mod are first rate.

[MasterBigAb]

Looks good, looks promising....

I shall be back....

[General Brewster]

Adrian74´s units for this mod are first rate.

They are indeed!

Looks good, looks promising....

I shall be back....

Thank you!

And our little secret

[Renatuz]

Good morning,

How does this Mod Manager work? When I launch it I get a list of extensions but I do not see the 'Main V1 pack' on it?
Is there a description or a printscreen that can show me how? Dying to get started on this game......

Thanks in advance,

Renatuz

[Renatuz]

By the way,

I found some usefull 1650 maps for the New World:
http://www.google.nl/imgres?q=americ...1t:429,r:0,s:0

And because there is no territory to represent the dutch pressence in Brazil I would advice to let the dutch start with a merchantfleet allready at the coast there.

[Renatuz]

Same thing at the Ivory coast and on the other side next to Mozambique where they had driver off the portugese.

[General Brewster]

Good morning,

How does this Mod Manager work? When I launch it I get a list of extensions but I do not see the 'Main V1 pack' on it?
Is there a description or a printscreen that can show me how? Dying to get started on this game......

Thanks in advance,

Renatuz

Open modmanager then to the right you see 2 boxes that you can un-check, un-check them then on the left you will see the pack check it on and launch

By the way,

I found some usefull 1650 maps for the New World:
http://www.google.nl/imgres?q=americ...1t:429,r:0,s:0

And because there is no territory to represent the dutch pressence in Brazil I would advice to let the dutch start with a merchantfleet allready at the coast there.

Awesome thank you.

Same thing at the Ivory coast and on the other side next to Mozambique where they had driver off the portugese.

Later on that will be looked into
Please dont post triple posts not allowed by the ToS.

[Taraphir]

Just one question General Brewster. I believe you defined the startdate to be in 1650.
In wich year will the game end (as far as I know its defined in the vicoriy conditions in the startpos.esf)?

[General Brewster]

The game starts in 1650 and ends in 1750 if i recall good
We are still figuring that out a bit.

[Renatuz]

General Sir,
Here some things I thought of and found that might be usefull:
-Can we make territories of the islands that are now tradingzones in Indonesia ?
-The Netherlands at the time was severely hindered by the internal strive between republicans and monarchists, is/can that be effected in the characters like generals or ministers?
-In the 4-day seabattle the result was only 10 ships sunk for the English and only 4 for the dutch. The 'killratio'was quite low, there were far more ships damaged and withdrawn due to that.
- If there is no possibility to make territories of the tradingzones, is there a way for ships to make repairs at sea just like in Napoleon TW naval warfare?
-is Munster a faction? (in 1672 it was one of the opponents of NL)
- The French had serious interest in Southern Netherlands that should be causing them to go to war with Spain?
-Scotland independent untill 1707, are they also in this Mod?
-Here some population growth stats: there was an impressive growth of Holland's cities between 1647 and 1688. But there can be no doubt either, on the basis of Table 30, ('The population of the main Holland cities 1635-1700'), that far and away the most impressive growth occurred between 1647 and 1672, an increase of the order of 34%, as against a mere c.1.2% between 1672 and 1688. Indeed, between 1672 and 1688, only Rotterdam of the six main cities of Holland appears to have increased its population
-The importance of trade at the baltic sea wa huge at the time, can that be taken into effect? Or is it possible to create extra tradezones there for grain/ silver and copper?
-Will the war of spanish succession be a factor? :
``The decisive factor, the pivot upon which everything turned in 1688, was the economic war between France and the Dutch Republic, just as, in the so-called War of the Spanish Succession, the reasons for the Republic's involvement in the war, and for its determination to continue with the war, in the face of unprecedented damage to the Dutch trading system, were, in the first place, and fundamentally, concern for the survival and recovery of the Dutch trading system""
-Dutch admirals should be of higher quality than the english when recruiting, thus reflecting the actual difference in quality that existed at the time``.
Naval Facts
-"From 1649 to 1660 the english Parliament built or purchased 207 new warships, adding these to an original fleet of just 39 ships
- ""Between 1646 and 1659 the navy grew by an outstanding 217 vessels: 111 captured and 106 were built. After Cromwell’s death and the restoration of the Stuart Dynasty in 1660, the navy built another 25 battleships of the first, second and third classes. But the development of the navy did not guarantee immediate success, especially considering that the Dutch remained the foremost navy power in the Atlantic. After 1649, England fought three wars with the foremost naval power in Europe at the time, the United Provinces (The Netherlands). England’s main objective was to destroy Dutch trade and shipping and replace the Dutch as the leading maritime trading power. The first two wars, which lasted between 1652-4 and 1665-7, produced relatively little progress on the trading front. Ad the last war in 1672-4 was hardly decisive and ended with only modest gain for the English."
By the way, when reading this you can see that I have not managed to get the mod going. I re-installed a clean ETW and started to unpack the packs according to the mod instructions. But when I open the downloaded 'rar Modmanager and uncheck the 2 boxes at the right I get a list with all kinds of patches with conflicts next to them. On that list is 1 'main'. If I leave only that one checked and click on launch (the ETW logo at the right) I just get the normal ETW launched? What am I missing / doing wrong?

Thanks & salutations,
Renatuz

[General Brewster]

General Sir,
Here some things I thought of and found that might be usefull:
-Can we make territories of the islands that are now tradingzones in Indonesia ?
-The Netherlands at the time was severely hindered by the internal strive between republicans and monarchists, is/can that be effected in the characters like generals or ministers?
-In the 4-day seabattle the result was only 10 ships sunk for the English and only 4 for the dutch. The 'killratio'was quite low, there were far more ships damaged and withdrawn due to that.
- If there is no possibility to make territories of the tradingzones, is there a way for ships to make repairs at sea just like in Napoleon TW naval warfare?
-is Munster a faction? (in 1672 it was one of the opponents of NL)
- The French had serious interest in Southern Netherlands that should be causing them to go to war with Spain?
-Scotland independent untill 1707, are they also in this Mod?
-Here some population growth stats: there was an impressive growth of Holland's cities between 1647 and 1688. But there can be no doubt either, on the basis of Table 30, ('The population of the main Holland cities 1635-1700'), that far and away the most impressive growth occurred between 1647 and 1672, an increase of the order of 34%, as against a mere c.1.2% between 1672 and 1688. Indeed, between 1672 and 1688, only Rotterdam of the six main cities of Holland appears to have increased its population
-The importance of trade at the baltic sea wa huge at the time, can that be taken into effect? Or is it possible to create extra tradezones there for grain/ silver and copper?
-Will the war of spanish succession be a factor? :
``The decisive factor, the pivot upon which everything turned in 1688, was the economic war between France and the Dutch Republic, just as, in the so-called War of the Spanish Succession, the reasons for the Republic's involvement in the war, and for its determination to continue with the war, in the face of unprecedented damage to the Dutch trading system, were, in the first place, and fundamentally, concern for the survival and recovery of the Dutch trading system""
-Dutch admirals should be of higher quality than the english when recruiting, thus reflecting the actual difference in quality that existed at the time``.
Naval Facts
-"From 1649 to 1660 the english Parliament built or purchased 207 new warships, adding these to an original fleet of just 39 ships
- ""Between 1646 and 1659 the navy grew by an outstanding 217 vessels: 111 captured and 106 were built. After Cromwell’s death and the restoration of the Stuart Dynasty in 1660, the navy built another 25 battleships of the first, second and third classes. But the development of the navy did not guarantee immediate success, especially considering that the Dutch remained the foremost navy power in the Atlantic. After 1649, England fought three wars with the foremost naval power in Europe at the time, the United Provinces (The Netherlands). England’s main objective was to destroy Dutch trade and shipping and replace the Dutch as the leading maritime trading power. The first two wars, which lasted between 1652-4 and 1665-7, produced relatively little progress on the trading front. Ad the last war in 1672-4 was hardly decisive and ended with only modest gain for the English."
By the way, when reading this you can see that I have not managed to get the mod going. I re-installed a clean ETW and started to unpack the packs according to the mod instructions. But when I open the downloaded 'rar Modmanager and uncheck the 2 boxes at the right I get a list with all kinds of patches with conflicts next to them. On that list is 1 'main'. If I leave only that one checked and click on launch (the ETW logo at the right) I just get the normal ETW launched? What am I missing / doing wrong?

Thanks & salutations,
Renatuz

We cant make new territories
Republican and monarchist will be dealt with later on.
Yes it was not common to sink ships i know that but that would make naval battle's really uninteresting.
on the naval battle map ships can repair yes, munster is not a faction, France is at war with spain and France takes the Spanish low-lands, or The Dutch if they are faster depends.

Admiral will be dealt with later on, thanks for the facts I'll PM with the modmanager solution, Also in my humble opinion The Dutch won the second and 3 Anglo Dutch war and the English the first and 4th.

[Taraphir]

The game starts in 1650 and ends in 1750 if i recall good
We are still figuring that out a bit.

Many thanks for the quick answer General Brewster!