Fascism, Communism, Nazism

[vikingsiddhu]

History shows that it cannot exist without opressing the very things it set out to liberate. So why?
Why is there a American/British Nazi/Communist party?
Why are there Fascists outthere?

Why are people, ignorant to history, willing to make the same mistakes? What stupidity lurks yet.



helping to destroy innocent people, and spread death and fascism to the corners of the world. I feel sad for those children

[Vincenzo Morello]

Dont know of any British Nazi party but the BNP is simply standing up for the ethnic english, scottish, welsh and irish people as our governerment does not. BNP is becoming very popular in the capital go t any new sight it will tell you. White voters are gradually flocking to the BNP. let me refrase white-working class voters should i say.

[Elu Barcino]

Dont know of any British Nazi party but the BNP is simply standing up for the ethnic english, scottish, welsh and irish people as our governerment does not. BNP is becoming very popular in the capital go t any new sight it will tell you. White voters are gradually flocking to the BNP. let me refrase white-working class voters should i say.

No, the BNP are Nazis. They are a party based on racism and violence.

And there is no such thing as ethnic 'English'.

[Bwaho]

And there is no such thing as ethnic 'English'.

no there isn't..but if you look at those who settled in England they are of mainly of germanic stock (not Celts though). Danish, Normans, Saxons these are not on opposite sides in the great human family tree.

[Erik]

And there is no such thing as ethnic 'English'.

no there isn't..but if you look at those who settled in England they are of mainly of germanic stock (not Celts though). Danish, Normans, Saxons these are not on opposite sides in the great human family tree.

DNA studies have shown the native British population has hardly changed since the last ice age.
There were several waves of invaders, who imposed their language and culture on the British population, but these groups were relatively small and didn't have a big impact on the British gene-pool.
(there is also a thread about this on this forum).
So YES! there is such a thing as the "ethnic British", amd they are clearly seperated from the rest of Europe.

You think China is capitalism? Capitalism is a free market

They switched to market economy but kept the dictatorship and they call themselves communists. They like other communist countries before them finally saw and felt the problems with a planned economy. To avoid going down like CCCP they made a little compromise.

China is still 90%+ communist.
Only the big city regions have turned to a more free-market system, so they can better deal with forreign countries, but they only represent a small part of the entire country.

I don't think Nazism was strictly speaking fascism.

After having a read a little on Fascism/Corporatism, it seems that it really was Marxism without class conflict, which was replaced by class collaboration.

You are right.
Sadly not many people today know what Fascism is.
They only associate it with pre-WWII Italy, but behind Fascism is an interesting (but completely flawed IMO) economic theory.

Fascism basically means big corporations and other factions (like labour unions) are in power.
It's realy the untimate in free-market thinking, when you allow monopolies to exist and even gain political power.
Just think Bill Gates being a member of kabinet and allowing him to make laws that only benefit Microsoft.

I think the US is getting closer and closer to Fascism becuase economic heavyweights dominate the elections.

[Aristophanes]

DNA studies have shown the native British population has hardly changed since the last ice age.
There were several waves of invaders, who imposed their language and culture on the British population, but these groups were relatively small and didn't have a big impact on the British gene-pool.
(there is also a thread about this on this forum).
So YES! there is such a thing as the "ethnic British", amd they are clearly seperated from the rest of Europe.

I'd like to know who authored this report. Considering that Britain variously sustained Belgic, Roman, Saxon, Danish, and Norman invasion, this seems somewhat unlikely.

China is still 90%+ communist.
Only the big city regions have turned to a more free-market system, so they can better deal with forreign countries, but they only represent a small part of the entire country.

Can anyone spot the fabrication? [hint, starts with a 9->kinda like what went down at the club]

Yes, the command economy is prevalent in much of China, and yes, geographically, the coastal regions represent a small fraction of China, but they represent a huge fraction of its population: about 600 million chinese live in or near the coastal cities and provinces. That's about 40% of the total population, and they represent a huge proportion of the total productive capacity. Considering how much higher per capita GDP is on the coast than in the interior -- cities such as Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Tianjin range between $2,500 and $34,200-- and considering per capita GDP in much of China's interior is below $1,500, it is sensible to suggest that the coastal regions control a majority of China's productive resources. Competition is by no means perfect: there is a huge amount of state control and corruption, but it seems that many coastal firms are, at least, moderately subject to market forces, suggesting they are not 'communist'. [whether they are 'free market' is another question altogether]

You are right.
Sadly not many people today know what Fascism is.
They only associate it with pre-WWII Italy, but behind Fascism is an interesting (but completely flawed IMO) economic theory.

Sure.[shrugs]

Fascism basically means big corporations and other factions (like labour unions) are in power.
It's realy the untimate in free-market thinking, when you allow monopolies to exist and even gain political power.
Just think Bill Gates being a member of kabinet and allowing him to make laws that only benefit Microsoft.

Once again you display your incomprehension of free market thinking. The entire idea of free markets is to increase competition: the only objection free market proponents have to government is that it is MONOPOLY CONTROL.[don't expose your ignorance more than you have to]

I think the US is getting closer and closer to Fascism becuase economic heavyweights dominate the elections.

Money has been proven, time and time again, to not be a significant factor in elections: read the likes of Reuven Brenner[The Financial Century] and Stephen Levitt[Freakanomics] to discover just how much effect a marginal increase in election spending brings.

The whole problem I have with America's economic heavyweights is not that they 'dominate elections' but that they change the rules without having to dominate elections: corporate lobbying is much too powerful at the moment, and very simple changes can remedy the situation. Ban all corporate and union donations to ANY candidates, and prevent any politician from receiving anything in any way from a corporation whose dealings he has influenced through law, subsidy or regulation. The system is broken and I totally agree with you about that.

[Gladiator]

Dont know of any British Nazi party but the BNP is simply standing up for the ethnic english, scottish, welsh and irish people as our governerment does not. BNP is becoming very popular in the capital go t any new sight it will tell you. White voters are gradually flocking to the BNP. let me refrase white-working class voters should i say.

The BNP is an explicitly racist and xenophobic organisation of ignorance, racial prejudice and homophobia. It's leader Nick Griffin has been prosecuted twice for inciting racial hatred. Most notably on an undercover BBC documentary. Every word they utter is venomous and they've made no secret of their adoration of Hitler. They do not represent the opinions of the british public, illustrated by the fact they have no seats in parliament.

[God]

The BNP is an explicitly racist and xenophobic organisation of ignorance, racial prejudice and homophobia. It's leader Nick Griffin has been prosecuted twice for inciting racial hatred. Most notably on an undercover BBC documentary. Every word they utter is venomous and they've made no secret of their adoration of Hitler. They do not represent the opinions of the british public, illustrated by the fact they have no seats in parliament.

I agree with you completely but they are getting more popular.

[vikingsiddhu]

I agree with you completely but they are getting more popular.

Well you'd know wouldn't you? Ever since you decided not to meddle with Human matters, after the Trojan War, humanity has collapsed. Look at Hitler, and now the BCP, and the BNP. Lol. Too bad you can't do anything about it God

[Elu Barcino]

The BNP is an explicitly racist and xenophobic organisation of ignorance, racial prejudice and homophobia. It's leader Nick Griffin has been prosecuted twice for inciting racial hatred. Most notably on an undercover BBC documentary. Every word they utter is venomous and they've made no secret of their adoration of Hitler. They do not represent the opinions of the british public, illustrated by the fact they have no seats in parliament.

Precisely!

[MaximiIian]

xenophobic

Fear of extraterrestrials?

Now, certain forms of fascism could work. A totalitarian state that centers on protecting human rights, that sets down certain inaliable and irrevocable rights as part of the legal system, it could work.
Could.
Would? Probably not in the nearest century or two.

[Harlanite]

Dont know of any British Nazi party but the BNP is simply standing up for the ethnic english, scottish, welsh and irish people as our governerment does not. BNP is becoming very popular in the capital go t any new sight it will tell you. White voters are gradually flocking to the BNP. let me refrase white-working class voters should i say.

Didn't you say you were half Sicilian?

[Garbarsardar]

Dont know of any British Nazi party but the BNP is simply standing up for the ethnic english, scottish, welsh and irish people as our governerment does not. BNP is becoming very popular in the capital go t any new sight it will tell you. White voters are gradually flocking to the BNP. let me refrase white-working class voters should i say.

0.74% does not sound as a large flock...Anyway, especially people of mixed race should be grateful that BNP will never leave the dark margines of British political scene.

[Stalins Ghost]

To put it simply because each of those forms of government could work.

In theory Communism is the perfect, democratic society, where everyone is cared for and no body is poor, no body is rich, you just have everyone working towards the greater good.

In theory and in practice Nazism was a economic miracle (although it is debatable whether or not the war was the reason for many problems being solved). Germany was possibly the greatest nation in the world in 1938.

OK. Fascism...well...this is a hard one, since I've only studied Italian Fascism, which was full of obscure policy and very little...anything. OK Mussolini managed to spectacularly take over the Italian government, and was slightly more effective than the god forsaken Liberal regime, but it was no economic powerhouse.

The problem is that each movement came about via extremist measures (although only in the early days for Nazism). In order to get into power, the parties/movements had to smash the system and democracy in the process. Maybe if they got in legally, and were not headed up by power mad/"evil" tyrants, such parties could exist. Although Neo-Nazism is purely an excuse to be anti-semetic in my opinion. Modern communist parties are not headed by the same kinds of people these days.

To be honest, I'd fully support Communism if I was naive enough to trust human nature and organisation incompetance. It could work if people could be trusted to act responsibly when in power, and effective management could be implemented, and the same principles of media freedom implemented It failed because:

A) Dictators took control from day 1. Communism was never invented with the principle of one leader guiding all. Lenin and his predecessors just got power hungry.

B) It was an organisational failure. Completely. OK Russia did become a superpower, but eventually it crumbled due to poor leadership.

[vikingsiddhu]

Right...the web sites do look really appealing. But tell me one communist nation that kept its promises? None.

We all know what Mao, Stalin promised to the people. No one followed it through. Why should we expect a bunch of newbies to as well. This is why education is important. To allow the voters to see the evils of communism and fascism.

They all in theory COULD WORK, but none works. That redefines the theory doesn't it?

[Lord Kal]

Well, the more anarchist revolutions still worked. Catalonia in Spain and Grenada.

Nicaragua also worked rather well.

And despite the USSR's failures, there's no question that we wouldn't have free education or healthcare without it.

[danzig]

Probably because on paper they look like a great system but when you apply human nature to it...it goes to hell. Guess there are always going to people who think well this time we'll get it right!

[vikingsiddhu]

Probably because on paper they look like a great system but when you apply human nature to it...it goes to hell. Guess there are always going to people who think well this time we'll get it right!

and it never becomes right. NEVER

[vikingsiddhu]

And despite the USSR's failures, there's no question that we wouldn't have free education or healthcare without it.

I doubt it strongly, I agree that the strife between communism and democracy has caused some competition such as the space race. However, it would be wrong to say though that without communism there would be no competition. The evolution of democracy did more steps to pave the way to education and healthcare.

[Lord Kal]

Apart from in Grenada, Nicaragua, and Catalonia.

All of which were democratic governments.