Campaign map lag

[TheIronTalon]

Hello, looking for some pointers. I bought the Gold edition off of Steam when it was on sale the other week but for the life of me I cannot find out exactly what is causing the campaign map to lag out when I move the camera. When idling or opening the scrolls etc, I'm sitting at a comfortable 60fps roughly. However, as soon as I touch anything to do with camera movement I shoot right down to a couple of fps.

Now, as I understand it, Medieval 2 uses the same engine as Rome only with very minor tweaks to make it compatible with the vision for that game.. yet that run's fine, albeit a little laggy in battles which is entirely fine as I'm not expecting an unoptimized years old game to run perfectly on a modern rig. However, if I'm running Medieval 2 not bad, why's Rome so terrible?

I'm currently running it on:

• AMD Athlon X3 3.2Ghz
• ATI HD 5670 1Gb
• Windows 7 64bit

Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Like I said it runs fine elsewhere in the game, but actually moving the camera on the campaign map grinds the game to a halt. Totally unplayable as you can appreciate considering a lot of the campaign is about moving the map around.. I love my total war games, but this is an annoyance considering Rome is the only one I'm left to play.

Dxdiag output for anyone interested:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/11/2011, 21:48:42
Machine name: IAIN-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 450 Processor (3 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4096MB RAM
Page File: 2130MB used, 12202MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Radeon HD 5670
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x68D8)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68D8&SUBSYS_03561043&REV_00
Display Memory: 2806 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1014 MB
Shared Memory: 1791 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic Non-PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: unknown
Monitor Id:
Native Mode: unknown
Output Type: HD15
Driver Name: aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx32,aticfx32,aticfx32,atiumd64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.dll
Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1091 (English)
Driver Version: 8.881.0.0
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 7/28/2011 22:39:14, 852992 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-2B98-11CF-C372-5C23A1C2CA35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x68D8
SubSys ID: 0x03561043
Revision ID: 0x0000
Driver Strong Name: oem31.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.1:ati2mtag_Evergreen:8.881.0.0:pci\ven_1002&dev_68d8
Rank Of Driver: 00E62001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
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{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
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{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
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{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
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{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
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D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
DXVA-HD: Not Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (VIA High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1106&DEV_4397&SUBSYS_18490397&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: viahduaa.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.7700 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 11/25/2009 21:06:02, 1276928 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: VIA Technologies, Inc.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: CD Audio (VIA High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name: viahduaa.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.7700 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 11/25/2009 21:06:02, 1276928 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x1
Format Flags: 0xFFFFF

Description: Stereo Mix (VIA High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: viahduaa.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.7700 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 11/25/2009 21:06:02, 1276928 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x1
Format Flags: 0xFFFFF

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x03F1
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub

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Gameport Devices
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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
|
+ Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f03
| Service: i8042prt
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 69.1 GB
Total Space: 153.5 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD50 00AAKS-00V6A SCSI Disk Device

Drive: D:
Free Space: 128.5 GB
Total Space: 323.3 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD50 00AAKS-00V6A SCSI Disk Device

Drive: E:
Model: DTSoftBusCd00
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System Devices
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Name: High Definition Audio Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F0&SUBSYS_03971849&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&28
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard ISA bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03E1&SUBSYS_03E11849&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&08
Driver: n/a

Name: ATI Radeon HD 5670
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68D8&SUBSYS_03561043&REV_00\4&2000CD56&0&0048
Driver: n/a

Name: NVIDIA nForce 10/100 Mbps Ethernet
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03EF&SUBSYS_03EF1849&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&38
Driver: n/a

Name: NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F6&SUBSYS_03F61849&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&41
Driver: n/a

Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03EC&SUBSYS_03EC1849&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&30
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1204&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C4
Driver: n/a

Name: NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller
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Name: NVIDIA nForce PCI System Management
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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
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Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
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Driver: n/a

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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
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Driver: n/a

Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
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Driver: n/a

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
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Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
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Driver: n/a

Name: High Definition Audio Controller
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Driver: n/a

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DirectShow Filters
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ATI Ticker,0x00200000,0,1,Ticker.ax,
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ASUS SBS RTP Source Filter,0x00200000,0,0,NetVideo_SBS.ax,1.00.0000.0002
Xvid MPEG-4 Video Decoder,0x00800002,1,1,xvid.ax,
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Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17514
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Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17514
VPS Decoder,0x00200000,0,0,WSTPager.ax,6.06.7601.17514
WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,12.00.7601.17514
VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,6.01.7601.17514
MMACE SoftEmu,0x00200000,0,2,MMACEFilters.dll,
File writer,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
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iTV Data Capture filter,0x00600000,1,1,itvdata.dll,6.06.7601.17514
DVD Navigator,0x00200000,0,3,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17514
MMACE DeInterlace,0x00200000,0,2,MMACEFilters.dll,
Overlay Mixer2,0x00200000,1,1,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17514
AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17514
RDP DShow Redirection Filter,0xffffffff,1,0,DShowRdpFilter.dll,
Microsoft MPEG-2 Audio Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
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AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
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BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00200000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.7601.17514
MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17514

WDM Streaming Tee/Splitter Devices:
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Video Compressors:
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DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
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Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft RLE,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
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Microsoft DVBC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
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[MortenJessen]

Hi there.
Welcome to TWC
Well, for one, you need new GPU drivers. Here: http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloa...win7-64.aspx#1
Second, what do you call a "couple" of fps?? If it is still above 20 you need not worry that much. Is it also affecting the very picture, like flickering ??
Last, for now, do you have any background programs running ?? And remember that FRAPS also takes its own toll on the fps.
Edit: What screen are you using, what resolution are you using. Native resolution is always best ingame. Both in battles and on campaign map.

[TheIronTalon]

Thanks

Being only 3 months out of date, give or take, I don't think it will necessarily be a driver problem for the 5670. I'd maybe have grumbled at that if it was a year out of date. Although, I'm not adverse to having the most up-to-date drivers, so thanks for pointing that out. An oversight on my part!

Hmm, more like < 10fps which isn't great and definitely not playable when you have to move around large portions of the map constantly. I'd like to reiterate that I actually haven't noticed any considerable slow down in battles, just the campaign map itself. Seems extremely odd to me.

My resolution is native 1024x768 the now, while I wait for my replacement monitor (last one packed up couple of weeks ago). So that's fine, playing at native. I also like to play a smaller resolutions for older games, since they tend to perform better due to obvious reasons.

I tend not to run things in the background, certainly no more than necessary. On occasion I will run with the browser open, but then I do that in Medieval 2 without much difficulty, if none at all. My RAM is never maxed out, and same goes for processor.

[MortenJessen]

Hmm, more like < 10fps which isn't great and definitely not playable when you have to move around large portions of the map constantly. I'd like to reiterate that I actually haven't noticed any considerable slow down in battles, just the campaign map itself. Seems extremely odd to me.

Yes indeed.

My resolution is native 1024x768 the now, while I wait for my replacement monitor (last one packed up couple of weeks ago). So that's fine, playing at native. I also like to play a smaller resolutions for older games, since they tend to perform better due to obvious reasons.

I would like to ask what settings you use ingame, and what options you have turned on (eyecandy). Also related to above, as using the screens native resolution is absolutely the best option.

[TheIronTalon]

I have tried a combination of all types of settings, especially lowering shadows and vegetation and detail more than anything else. They tend to be the ones that are resource hogs, just like in Medieval 2. I've also just went for the straightforward default low, medium, high settings. Neither of them make a difference. Campaign shadows are off as well.

I have heard in passing through forums that the older CA engine does not like AMD as well as it favours Intel and Nvidia. Now, being that I'm running an all AMD rig, do you think that would be a problem? I know that parts of the game weren't optimized for all processors/graphics card combinations.

[MortenJessen]

One thing that comes to mind is AA. Try setting it to low (dont turn it off).
Are you using "Campaign Shadow" ? That is notorious for killing fps on low resolutions. Edit: My bad, you did turn it off. Sorry.
Edit two:

I have heard in passing through forums that the older CA engine does not like AMD as well as it favours Intel and Nvidia. Now, being that I'm running an all AMD rig, do you think that would be a problem? I know that parts of the game weren't optimized for all processors/graphics card combinations.

Should not be a problem at all. So do not be affraid.

[TheIronTalon]

Yeah I've turned that off. I like to turn everything that I can off to make sure it's nothing lurking in the background that's not compatible with my hardware. Campaign Shadow is off, yep.

I'm beginning to think that my experience of Rome is never going to happen haha. Unless, I piece together a really old rig which more than likely would work.

[TheIronTalon]

Some screenshot's of what's going on are below. Main menu, sitting idle on the campaign map and then moving about which induces the fps drop. See for yourself. Also, I thought Rome uses DX9 instead of DX8? Is that not the case. Apparently it's using DX8 in my case.. Anyway.

By the way, the big yellow number is more important than the FPS counter in white, that only updates every couple of seconds. I'm not using fraps to do that as well, so I don't even have that sitting lagging me out..

[MortenJessen]

What about anti aliasing ?? Have you tried setting it on low ? Even turning it off.

[TheIronTalon]

It's off. I have it on Speed setting, which has everything low and all enhancements off.

Oh and re-read my edit. There is a delay between the yellow and white FPS counter Realtime is the yellow, white is behind.

[MortenJessen]

Oh and re-read my edit. There is a delay between the yellow and white FPS counter Realtime is the yellow, white is behind.

Well, that is what buggers me, as the numbers in Fraps goes red if there is something wrong......
Edit: Like in the attached pictures I just uploaded.

[MortenJessen]

What, is that it ???? A drop from 61 to 35. That is really nothing to worry about. Fraps is way off, that is for sure, as 6 fps is not happening with out severe lag. As I asked before, is the screen flickering, does it lag when moving around, does it hang for a second or more before something happens. I am quite sure that there is something wrong with Fraps......

[TheIronTalon]

What, is that it ???? A drop from 61 to 35. That is really nothing to worry about. Fraps is way off, that is for sure, as 6 fps is not happening with out severe lag. As I asked before, is the screen flickering, does it lag when moving around, does it hang for a second or more before something happens. I am quite sure that there is something wrong with Fraps......

I'm not using Fraps, I'm using ATI's own tray tools which aren't anywhere near as intensive as a screen capturing program like Fraps. That's definitely not the issue at hand considering it's the same with or without that.

Lag occurs when I move the camera around the map. As you can see in the 'idle' picture, frames are sitting fine and the processor usage is low. As soon as I move it a touch, bam.. frame hit. No flickering however.

If I click anywhere on the minimap, I'll have to wait at least 30 seconds for it to render.

Edit: The best of it is.. even when I'm taking the FPS hit, the processor usage is still low.. so it's not even spiking that out. Totally bamboozling me.

[MortenJessen]

Well, I can see that you are using Fraps. The yellow numbers in the upper right corner gives it away.................
In my last post I uploaded two screenies that shows how the numers will look like if there is something hitting seriously on your fps rate. The numbers are in the upper left corner.

[TheIronTalon]

I'm telling you, it's not Fraps. For this reason I used a program that wouldn't hinder testing, so yeah, I'd rather you didn't assume that it was. If you go to this you'll see half way down under Main features that it allows you to, and I quote: "OnScreen Display: When an OpenGL/Direct3D application running, the FPS, 3D API type, GPU Activity, and related information are overlayed on top of the rendering stream on a corner of the screen."

So I think we've established that "Fraps" is not the problem child?

[MortenJessen]

Hmm, well in that case I apologize.
But, from your dxdiag: Fraps Video Decompressor,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
One way or the other, I knew it was there. That is why I stood by my observations.
Besides, this is part of the problem, but by far not the largest, as it seems that RTW is the only affected game: D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported

[TheIronTalon]

I'm presuming ATI tray tools does utilize portions of Fraps's .dll's but I'm not actually using Fraps itself. I just want to make that clear as I'm trying to eliminate issues, not create them.

Thanks, Chris, but the mouse is just a bog standard wired mouse, so no wireless. It's not the mouse that is lagging, it's the game itself, which I can tell by the frame dropping.

I think I'm just going to reside myself to the fact that for whatever reason Rome doesn't like my hardware configuration/setup. Perhaps it could be a conflict within Windows 7, as some people have been hit and miss with older games. Would have been good to play, but I'll just put it on the shoulda been, but neva been shelf lol.

Back to the Medieval ages it is! Thanks for your help folks.

[Chris Death]

Campaign map lag is often caused by the mouse.

For example if you are using a wireless mouse this could be a reason.

If you got another mouse somewhere around, try it and see if that helps.

~S~ CD

[MortenJessen]

If you believe it to be because RTW do not like W7, play it in XP service pack 3 compability mode. That solves many problems.

[Chris Death]

I was mentioning a wireless mouse because those causing troubles a lot but i for myself have had
problems with a wired mouse once.

So if you got another mouse somewhere around just try it even if it doesn't make sense on a first look but this did really fix it for a lot of peple in case of campaign map lag.

And yes off course it were the fps being low when that mouse was causing me problems (can't speak for
anybody else in this case but for me).

It is an option and worth a try - if you eliminate all available sources of a problem, even if you didn't
solve the prob by that you will come closer to the solution.

:edit - and btw - it is not win 7 - i am running rtw since a week ago on win 7 - no problems on highest
settings and awesome performance (so exclude win 7 from the list of sources)

~S~ CD