When do you consider your campaign finished?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Since the victory conditions can never be matched, what are your own victory conditions (for your favorite factions, of course).

I like the start and early middle phase of campaigns, especially if those are difficult. So I often go about carving for myself a stable power base, and destroying the neighboring factions I think would historically be my enemies. After that, I usually get bored.


That's how I do campaigns with Iberian factions (conqeuring Iberia, maybe taking some mediterranean coastal towns). Right now I'm the Illyrians, and my goal is to dominate the Adriatic sea.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Conquer the whole map.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

^I can never bring myself to that with factions that historically weren't united or all that strong, like the Illyrians or Spartans. Frankly, I *do* think it's justified with a Gallic faction (Celts were "civilised" enough to create an empire and I see a possibility of a single tribe uniting them all) or the Getae (they *were* united in history during the Dacian Wars).

[DarthLazy]

Usually after 25-50 years when I get bored.

[diez]

at the same point as cocroach...
maybe a bit more to start my expansion,but after this i see that nothing can stop me,and its a matter of time to conquer huge areas

[Muizer]

That's a pity, because in VII I think you'd find you will in fact be stopped.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

That's a pity, because in VII I think you'd find you will in fact be stopped.

I will?

Anyway, as of yet, I have only done rather marginal factions. I will save Rome for last, and then...

[diez]

That's a pity, because in VII I think you'd find you will in fact be stopped.

hmm,in my campaign there,as pergamon,i conquered all of eastern rebels,and launched attacks against macedon/thrace...nothing would stop my armies...

[Muizer]

hmm,in my campaign there,as pergamon,i conquered all of eastern rebels,and launched attacks against macedon/thrace...nothing would stop my armies...

In VII, conquest won't continue to feed back into the ability to conquer. There's a tipping point. My point is that if you abandon the game before reaching the tipping point, because you're assuming things will only get easier, you're missing out on a challenge.

Looking at the feedback so far, we've had some people run into this tipping point quite early on (probably because they did not expect something like this). What we do not know is how far a determined player could get in a long campaign if he knows what challenge awaits him.

Personally I'd like to hear it if anyone manages an empire that can rival the Roman empire, say, 40 BC? I wonder if they still think it was easy. Our feedback on such large empires has been marginal so far, both during testing and after release. If it turns out people are abandoning the game before they get to the point where things get interesting again, we may need to bring this tipping point forward in time.

[diez]

In VII, conquest won't continue to feed back into the ability to conquer. There's a tipping point. My point is that if you abandon the game before reaching the tipping point, because you're assuming things will only get easier, you're missing out on a challenge.

Looking at the feedback so far, we've had some people run into this tipping point quite early on (probably because they did not expect something like this). What we do not know is how far a determined player could get in a long campaign if he knows what challenge awaits him.

Personally I'd like to hear it if anyone manages an empire that can rival the Roman empire, say, 40 BC? I wonder if they still think it was easy. Our feedback on such large empires has been marginal so far, both during testing and after release. If it turns out people are abandoning the game before they get to the point where things get interesting again, we may need to bring this tipping point forward in time.

i agree with what u say but,ppl,including me,get bored after some in the same campaign...
also VII is very good,and adds many new good features,but i i still play rs cause of lack of factions...it focuses on the mediterranian area,while rs is most of europe and big part of middle east.but still its a very good mod,i enjoyed my macedon campaign,with the rival clans and all these good stuff

[Sphere]

In VII, conquest won't continue to feed back into the ability to conquer. There's a tipping point. My point is that if you abandon the game before reaching the tipping point, because you're assuming things will only get easier, you're missing out on a challenge.

Looking at the feedback so far, we've had some people run into this tipping point quite early on (probably because they did not expect something like this). What we do not know is how far a determined player could get in a long campaign if he knows what challenge awaits him.

Personally I'd like to hear it if anyone manages an empire that can rival the Roman empire, say, 40 BC? I wonder if they still think it was easy. Our feedback on such large empires has been marginal so far, both during testing and after release. If it turns out people are abandoning the game before they get to the point where things get interesting again, we may need to bring this tipping point forward in time.

For the player, I think you've got things about right, no need to soften things up.

However, for the AI factions it seems they indeed get completely stuck. AI Rome for example cannot get out of the Alps even with all of Italy + Sicily. Likewise with the dominant faction in Spain, Gaul and N. Africa. They get completely stuck after uniting their region.

Not that that is horrible, but it means the player is in no fear of the other big empires on the map in the mid to late game. The "Black Death" in PE might have been a flaw, but it did strike a certain fear into the player that they could be over-run. Not keeping up with Macedon could mean death and destruction.

Ideally, you would have different AI faction become the "Black Death" for each campaign, forcing the player to try and contain or defeat them, but that is easier said then done. As of right now, all the factions are self-contained.

[Muizer]

For the player, I think you've got things about right, no need to soften things up.

However, for the AI factions it seems they indeed get completely stuck. AI Rome for example cannot get out of the Alps even with all of Italy + Sicily. Likewise with the dominant faction in Spain, Gaul and N. Africa. They get completely stuck after uniting their region.

Not that that is horrible, but it means the player is in no fear of the other big empires on the map in the mid to late game. The "Black Death" in PE might have been a flaw, but it did strike a certain fear into the player that they could be over-run. Not keeping up with Macedon could mean death and destruction.

Ideally, you would have different AI faction become the "Black Death" for each campaign, forcing the player to try and contain or defeat them, but that is easier said then done. As of right now, all the factions are self-contained.

Yes, that kind of matches our experiences and, tbh, to a large extent our goals. I'm referring to the containment of factions. However, we would ideally see the historically "imperialistic" AI factions Carthage and Rome breaking out of this containment. As it is, that is a possibility, but the odds are still very much against it happening.

Either the tools we've given them to do so are insufficient or the expansion pattern we tried to allow them is too much at odds with the AI's "thinking". Most likely it's a combination of the 2.

We can make those AI factions more powerful, but that would require a whole new level of player/ai discrimination.

[DarthLazy]

Har Har d har d har.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

The tipping point is a reduction in income?

That's low. I rather like military strategy!!!!!11!!1!one!

Oh, and the Roman empire of 40BC cannot be recreated with your map, it lacks a bit of the eastern pieces.

[Muizer]

The tipping point is a reduction in income?

That's low. I rather like military strategy!!!!!11!!1!one!

Oh, and the Roman empire of 40BC cannot be recreated with your map, it lacks a bit of the eastern pieces.

I guess I should have seen that coming

[Spike]

conquering the whole map, or at least until some un-salvageable ctd happened (not yet have any unsalvageable ctd yet, but throwing ambacti after ambacti is going to be boring)

[Themea]

I stop when I get bored, or my empire gets too large. I hate large empires. I really do.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Anyway the only time I remember conquering the whole map was for the Julii in vanilla RTW. That was before I discovered RTR 4.1. At that time I was playing RTW 1.0 as I do not have broadband yet. Dowloaded RTW 1.0 patch at the office and discovered .org forum and the world of mods. All the rest after that is history.

[Vindictus]

I conquer until the factions around me are shadows of their former selves. Then I find no interesting battles and start over. A hectic process indeed. I don't know why I don't bore myself.

[dr0p]

When I have free time to play and I say to myself "nah, maybe later", then I realize I have had enough of the said campaign...