Cattle Exports

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

Earlier this year, live cattle exports to Indonesia from Australia were banned by the Australian government due to some footage (correct me if I'm wrong and the footage of the abattoir wasn't representative).

Is a ban the correct solution?

Note - some viewers may find parts of this video distressing.

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I find these practices disgusting; I'm all for killing animals for food (their live would be miserable in the wild anyway), but putting them through that much pain is unethical. The problem is that cattle farmers profit from live exports, and consequently, a ban on it would hurt them.

I find it a little unusual that Nazi Germany could treat it's animals better than many places currently do.

I didn't post this thread in the mudpit, it's a little late for that. Only made this thread because someone brought it up elsewhere.

[Ancient Aliens]

Shocking footage? That's how the animals you eat die, albeit with tranquilizers to ensure the safety of the slaughterers. I'm sorry, but I just can't be bothered with the nature of the treatment of insentient creatures. This footage only makes me hungry for steak.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

Shocking footage? That's how the animals you eat die, albeit with tranquilizers to ensure the safety of the slaughterers. I'm sorry, but I just can't be bothered with the nature of the treatment of insentient creatures. This footage only makes me hungry for steak.

The (in)sentience of cows is disputable.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Shocking footage? That's how the animals you eat die, albeit with tranquilizers to ensure the safety of the slaughterers. I'm sorry, but I just can't be bothered with the nature of the treatment of insentient creatures. This footage only makes me hungry for steak.

Cows definitely fell pain, fear and stress. So they are partly sentient,

But gives a ?

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yeah...

tell me about the mistreatment of cattle when you've come back from eating one of these

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[Menelik_I]

Earlier this year, live cattle exports to Indonesia from Australia were banned by the Australian government due to some footage (correct me if I'm wrong and the footage of the abattoir wasn't representative).

Is a ban the correct solution?

1 - There don't need to be a ''Solution'' : Sell Cattle to Indonesians, leave them use it as they which.
This smack of idiotic ''All your Cattle are belong to US''.

2 - #firstworldproblem is what comes to mind, people from different countries have different priorities.

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yeah...

You bastard ... Brazilians cattle products are better

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

1 - There don't need to be a ''Solution'' : Sell Cattle to Indonesians, leave them use it as they which.
This smack of idiotic ''All your Cattle are belong to US''.

2 - #firstworldproblem is what comes to mind, people from different countries have different priorities.

It's got nothing to do with priorities. They don't starve to death if they don't cause it agony. On the contrary, they'd probably have cheaper beef if they imported their meat dead and frozen. Until then, I am of the opinion that anyone who prolongs suffering unnecessarily should suffer themselves.

[Ancient Aliens]

Cows definitely fell pain, fear and stress. So they are partly sentient,

But gives a ?

The (in)sentience of cows is disputable.

As long as they don't pass the mirror test, I don't care. Beat the out of them, cut their toes off, remove the eyes first, whatever; as long as it makes things taste better, I am fine with it.

You bastard ... Brazilians cattle products are better

You clearly have never had Argentinian beef. Oh man, what I would do for some Argentinian churrasco (the skirt steak) with some chimichurri. I need to get back to Florida ASAP, I am ing hungry.

It's got nothing to do with priorities. They don't starve to death if they don't cause it agony. On the contrary, they'd probably have cheaper beef if they imported their meat dead and frozen. Until then, I am of the opinion that anyone who prolongs suffering unnecessarily should suffer themselves.

Yeah, but what does that do to the quality of the meat?

[In3x]

Yeah, but what does that do to the quality of the meat?

Doesn't matter, I guess some people just aren't cool with inflicting suffering on a defenseless animal because it will one day make a tasty steak.

[Menelik_I]

Doesn't matter, I guess some people just aren't cool with inflicting suffering on a defenseless animal because it will one day make a tasty steak.

Whom animal is the question ... can be touchy feely with your Cattle, but leave my cattle alone.

[Ancient Aliens]

Doesn't matter, I guess some people just aren't cool with inflicting suffering on a defenseless animal because it will one day make a tasty steak.

I guess some people shouldn't research meat processing facilities then, because this example isn't too far off from the "Western" versions of these facilities. I'm sure I could dig up even worse Western examples. That doesn't make beef any less delicious, and it will never prevent people from eating meat.

[SLN445]

We dont need to end Live exports, just make sure that they are killed humanly.
Best done at the moment by selective selling to those abattoir's that have proven to be following the guidelines.

I know its not realy right to be meddling in what happens to our cattle after they are no longer ours, but if we dont and lose support for the industry at home things are going to go to hell up north.

[Claudius Gothicus]

We dont need to end Live exports, just make sure that they are killed humanly.
Best done at the moment by selective selling to those abattoir's that have proven to be following the guidelines.

Why kill humanly something that's not human?

We should be killing them in the most efficient way in terms of preserving the meat culinary value, the costs of production and the medical safety regulations... not ''humanly''

[SLN445]

Why kill humanly something that's not human?

We should be killing them in the most efficient way in terms of preserving the meat culinary value, the costs of production and the medical safety regulations... not ''humanly''

I added a bit to the end of my post.

Also ignoring the whole thing that we shouldnt be making life for an animal as painful as possible at the end, humane methods are usualy quicker, more efficient and cause far less damage to the meat.

Annndddddd dont cost a great deal more.

[Claudius Gothicus]

The idea is that if a method is found to be both cheaper, quicker and safer AND at the same time happens to be more ''humane'' I don't see how the well-being of the killed cattle should be the determining factor.

If something is found to be painful for the animal BUT at the same time allows for safer, cheaper and tastier meat I don't see how said benefits should be denied to us, meat consumers, on the sole basis of Humanity... we are the humans they are the cows

[In3x]

Why kill humanly something that's not human?

We should be killing them in the most efficient way in terms of preserving the meat culinary value, the costs of production and the medical safety regulations... not ''humanly''

I would myself prefer if the animal did not suffer, even if this made the meat taste worse and was more expensive. I am not saying my position is superior, I am just personally uncomfortable with animals suffering when another method of cattle rearing and culling that reduces the suffering could have been used.

[Ak1980]

We dont need to end Live exports, just make sure that they are killed humanly.
Best done at the moment by selective selling to those abattoir's that have proven to be following the guidelines.

I know its not realy right to be meddling in what happens to our cattle after they are no longer ours, but if we dont and lose support for the industry at home things are going to go to hell up north.

This!

If you expect Indonesia Government to put serious attention to animal welfare, you are in for big disappointment. Indonesia have a lot more problem than animal, you are talking about country where if someone earn more than 0,9$ a day = you are not poor.

Easier for Australian ranch to make some partnership with Indonesia abattoir or invest directly to make abattoir, sell cattle only to their partner or their abattoir.

Beside if you insist on selling box meat, it's cheaper to import box meat from India/Brazil. Australia advantage is in disease free live cattle not box meat. Btw cattle disease can't transmitted from box meat.

[SLN445]

People just dont want to be unnecessarily cruel to Animals?

Im simply asking for asking for near instant death using proper measures.

[Misery]

I have never agreed with the ban on export due to hardship that it is caused to our farmers but Indonesians do behave like animals in their avatars.

Maybe animal cruelty is overhyped in some locations but no animal deserves to be treated like this.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

I have never agreed with the ban on export due to hardship that it is caused to our farmers but Indonesians do behave like animals in their avatars.this.

Are you using an ipod/ipad/iphone? Because I think you mean abattoirs.

[I WUB PUGS]

What matters most: Do I get the optimal ratio of fat to protein content per the cut in order to maximize flavor?

I will be braising a rump roast tomorrow for 10 hours and then thinly slicing that roast and allowing for 1 more hour of cooking in the pan juice to create something that will look like this: