Kalmar Union questions

[AJStoner]

Hey guys,

I want to include a script that will allow the Baron's Alliance to become "England" if they overpower the English. I am using the "Normans" as a base for this since they use the same banner as England and are basically set-up already. I have used kalmar union scripts for turning over regions & units before but haven't used the banner change yet and wanted to ask some questions I had about it.

1) UNITS: I noticed there are no "Kalmar Union" units in the batmod db and only the general's bodyguard has them in EDU. Does this mean I don't need to make/assign any new units for my new Norman/England faction--They will just keep using the BA ones? Or am I missing a step some place.

2) DESCR_STRAT: Kalmar_Union is listed as unplayable, should I set-up the Normans as such then? Also, the entry for the KU is as follows:

KU descr_strat entry:

faction kalmar_union, balanced smith ai_label default dead_until_resurrected denari 0 denari_kings_purse 0 faction slave, balanced smith ai_label slave_faction denari 3000 denari_kings_purse 500 settlement { level large_town region L_vov_Region year_founded 0 population 6000 plan_set default_set faction_creator lithuania building { type core_building wooden_wall } building { type barracks town_guard } building { type market market } } settlement { level large_town region Kalmar_Region year_founded 0 population 2500 plan_set default_set faction_creator teutonic_order building { type core_building wooden_wall } building { type barracks town_guard } building { type market market } building { type hinterland_roads roads } building { type port port } } settlement { level town region Stralsund_Region year_founded 0 population 1000 plan_set default_set faction_creator teutonic_order building { type core_building wooden_pallisade } building { type barracks town_watch } } settlement { level town region Potsdam_Region year_founded 0 population 895 plan_set default_set faction_creator teutonic_order building { type core_building wooden_pallisade } building { type barracks town_watch } } settlement { level city region Gotland year_founded 0 population 7000 plan_set default_set faction_creator denmark building { type core_building stone_wall } building { type temple_catholic abbey } building { type market corn_exchange } building { type barracks town_guard } building { type port port } } settlement { level city region Central_Sweden year_founded 0 population 6000 plan_set default_set faction_creator denmark building { type core_building stone_wall } building { type barracks town_guard } building { type market market } building { type hinterland_roads roads } building { type temple_catholic church } } settlement { level large_city region Finland_Region year_founded 0 population 13000 plan_set default_set faction_creator denmark building { type core_building large_stone_wall } building { type barracks militia_drill_square } building { type smith leather_tanner } building { type market market } building { type hinterland_farms farms } } settlement { level town region Southern_Sweden year_founded 0 population 1300 plan_set default_set faction_creator denmark building { type core_building wooden_pallisade } building { type barracks town_watch } } settlement { level village region Tingvalla_Region year_founded 0 population 718 plan_set default_set faction_creator denmark }

These are the required regions for the KU to form but for my mod there will be only London as a requirement and a certain set number of other regions.

Do I set-up the Norman/England faction with JUST London then? Would all the regions the possess besides those listed be lost or would it transfer them over without additional scripting? I have no way of knowing in advance exact what regions they will control when the change happens besides London itself.

[Carle]

Well do you want the KU script to continue firing, i.e. a new BA can form afterwards?
The shadow/shadowed link comes in pairs. From my understanding, this means that each faction can have only one shadow faction and vice versa- I'd just stick with England/BA. As the BA will always be AI and a defeated player won't continue the campaign, turning England over to the BA (give everything to faction true- that last part gives the faction defeated message) then banner change from BA to england possibly with a historic event "the Baron's alliance has deposed the monarchy" or something to that effect. then the cycle just starts over; a new BA can form from the respawned england and succeed/fail against the English crown.
This is all conjecture extrapolated from the docudemons and vanilla scripts, so I have no idea if it would work.

[Vegas_Bear]

The Kalmar Union script from TO only switches over the banner. Denmark uses the Kamlar Union one, it doesn't switch units.
1)

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	monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType barons_alliance
		and I_TurnNumber > 2
		and I_NumberOfSettlements england = 0
		if I_SettlementOwner London barons_alliance
			and I_SettlementOwner ... barons_alliance
			and I_SettlementOwner ... barons_alliance
			and I_SettlementOwner ... barons_alliance
				historic_event New_England_Question true factions { barons_alliance, }
			terminate_monitor
		end_if
	end_monitor

	monitor_conditions I_EventCounter New_England_question_accepted = 1
		set_faction_banner
			faction barons_alliance
			banner normans
		end_set_faction_banner
		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor

2)
descr_strat

nonplayable
	normans

faction	normans, balanced smith
ai_label	default 
dead_until_resurrected
denari	0
denari_kings_purse	0

descr_sm_factions

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faction		                normans
culture				northern_european
religion			catholic
symbol				models_strat/symbol_england.CAS
rebel_symbol			models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour			red 215, green 0, blue 0
secondary_colour		red 255, green 210, blue 0
loading_logo			loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_england.tga
standard_index			12
logo_index			FACTION_LOGO_ENGLAND
small_logo_index		SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_ENGLAND
triumph_value			5
custom_battle_availability	no
can_sap				no
prefers_naval_invasions		no
can_have_princess		yes
has_family_tree			yes

VB

[TNZ]

AJStoner: I could be wrong, but I think that the baron’s alliance and the Norman factions would need to share the same units or the units won't be transferred over.

I think you would set up the Norman faction in the descr_strat and descr_sm_factions files like this:

descr_strat:

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;#################################################################
;##########################  ARNOR  #############################
;################################################################# 
faction	byzantium, balanced smith
ai_label	default 
dead_until_resurrected
denari	5000
denari_kings_purse	500

descr_sm_factions:

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faction						byzantium, spawned_on_event
culture						northern_european
religion					northmen
symbol						models_strat/symbol_byzantium.CAS
rebel_symbol				models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour				red 9, green 9, blue 9
secondary_colour			red 255, green 204, blue 51
loading_logo				loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_byzantium.tga
standard_index				15
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_BYZANTIUM
small_logo_index			SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_BYZANTIUM
triumph_value				5
intro_movie					faction/minor_intro.bik
victory_movie				faction/minor_win.bik
defeat_movie				faction/minor_lose.bik
death_movie					faction/minor_lose.bik
custom_battle_availability	yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions		no
can_have_princess			no
has_family_tree				yes

The ‘give_everything_to_faction’ command will transfer all the units and regions, but you will still need to spawn in some generals to form the new faction’s Royal family:

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	;;; MONGOL INVASION 1 SCRIPT
		spawn_army 
			faction mongols
			character	Jebe, named character, age 30, x 292, y 166, family	;command 8, dread 9, loyalty 7, piety 1
			traits EasternWarlord 3 , GoodCommander 2 , Bloodthirsty 2 , BattleDread 4 , StrategyDread 2 , PublicFaith 1 , Loyal 2 , ContentGeneral 3	;command 8, dread 9, loyalty 7, piety 1
			unit		Mongol Bodyguard		exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Infantry			exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Infantry			exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Infantry			exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Infantry			exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Infantry			exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Foot Archers		exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Foot Archers		exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Foot Archers		exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Foot Archers		exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Archers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Archers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Archers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Archers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Archers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Lancers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Lancers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Lancers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Lancers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mongol Heavy Lancers	exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
		end

[AJStoner]

I should mention, the BA in my mod is now a normal playable faction and no longer shadows England unless it is itself destroyed. BA can re-emerge through the normal scripts if the first instance is eliminated.

[Carle]

One question: I've heard that the banner change script doesn't affect the internal names of player factions.
Is this true? If not, great, if so, is there a workaround?
A true civil war could actually be possible if the shadow faction can become the normal faction internally as well as aesthetically. If human factions can be the same, then the player might even be able to side with the rebels and depose the current king.

[AJStoner]

One question: I've heard that the banner change script doesn't affect the internal names of player factions.
Is this true? If not, great, if so, is there a workaround?
A true civil war could actually be possible if the shadow faction can become the normal faction internally as well as aesthetically. If human factions can be the same, then the player might even be able to side with the rebels and depose the current king.

That would explain why Kalmar doesn't have its own units, though I wonder why they need a unique General's Bodyguard then. This would save much time and effort; anyone know what the situation is here?

[Carle]

I did wonder about that. Kalmar Union is only listed in the general's bodyguard unit, for obvious reasons I'd like the change to be internal for everything else too.
IIRC the TATW script used the banner change if the faction in question was AI, but I can't be certain.

[danny X]

I did wonder about that. Kalmar Union is only listed in the general's bodyguard unit, for obvious reasons I'd like the change to be internal for everything else too.
IIRC the TATW script used the banner change if the faction in question was AI, but I can't be certain.

i wonder if this is to do with, as most of the factions general bodyguards units in the kingdoms expansions, have a different battlemap model for the faction leaders, from what i've noticed anyway!