No Hannibal?

**dr0p** · October 02, 2011, 04:27 AM

I'm playing as Rome and now it's 250BC. I had the scripted battle against Pyrrus, but seeing this a realistic mod, shouldn't there be a Hannibalic army running around my northern borders a couple of decades ago?
I do start the script every time I start my campaign...

**Caligula Caesar** · October 02, 2011, 04:30 AM

We didn't script in Hannibal, though we did try at one point. In any case, his invasion was in 218 BC, so he would be a long time off. You will probably have conquered Carthage by then

**Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze** · October 02, 2011, 04:50 AM

'm playing as Rome and now it's 250BC. I had the scripted battle against Pyrrus, but seeing this a realistic mod, shouldn't there be a Hannibalic army running around my northern borders a couple of decades ago?

First and foremost, Hannibal invaded Italy in 218 BC, which is 42 years after the date you are currently in.

Secondly, no, as we wouldn't know whether the player has conquered Carthage yet, or even whether Carthage is still alive, as CC said

**gcybill** · October 02, 2011, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze

First and foremost, Hannibal invaded Italy in 218 BC, which is 42 years after the date you are currently in.

Secondly, no, as we wouldn't know whether the player has conquered Carthage yet, or even whether Carthage is still alive, as CC said

I see, so whether the player has conquered a settlement can't be checked by scripting?

**dr0p** · October 02, 2011, 04:56 AM

My bad... I had the impression Hannibal invaded in 260 or 270 BC

Thanks!

**hollowfaith** · October 02, 2011, 05:40 AM

I think your mixing up your wars mate. 1st Punic War is from 264(5)-241 bc. The 2nd Punic War with Hannibal is from 218-201 bc. I think both dates are rough, my memory for dates is a little hazy. LOL

**Antiokhos Euergetes** · October 02, 2011, 07:52 AM

Add your own http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...79#post4195679
I am going to, as I know I won't take Carthage. I like to take it slow and historic- unless ofcourse event force me to change tactics
might spawn some legions under Lucius Postumius Albinus- into Epirus/Illyria in 228 (I think)

**AngryTitusPullo** · October 02, 2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Demetrius I Poliorcetes

Add your own http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...79#post4195679
I am going to, as I know I won't take Carthage. I like to take it slow and historic- unless ofcourse event force me to change tactics
might spawn some legions under Lucius Postumius Albinus- into Epirus/Illyria in 228 (I think)

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54640

Got scripted Hannibal in the script section. Not sure if the download links stil available though...

Anyway from what I remeber the army spawned but didn't move much (or probably didn't move at all...)

**gcybill** · October 02, 2011, 10:45 AM

Suggestion, can it be scripted like this..

If all Major City in Sicily are captured by Roman, then 5 years later:
- story = "Hannibal appear from northern then fight along Northern coast Italy reinforced by Greeks"
- kill half number of all legion in these Roman settlement: (Mediolanum, Bononia, Ariminum, Asculum, Arpi, and Cannae)
- in Arpi, kill 70.000 population (well the history said at Cannae though

)
- Hannibal appear and camped at Cannae full legion

The next 3 years if Hannibal still hasn't died, Hasdrubal appear near Mediolanum

**Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze** · October 02, 2011, 11:24 AM

It can be, but Hannibal invaded because of certain circumstances. History is an unbroken chain of events, and if your campaign does not go *exactly* as real history, there's no reason to include Hannibal for the simple reason that it's alternate history and thus wouldn't make much sense.

**dr0p** · October 02, 2011, 11:29 AM

Well, since we're all already here, here's another one:
Is there any other scripted events besides the first two battles between Rome-Pyrrus and Carthage in Sicily? I didn't have any yet, the 4tpy is working, but thats it...

**Maurits** · October 02, 2011, 11:59 AM

For now, these two battles are all big scripted events - and already a very difficult product. In future, it might be expanded a little, but we're not sure about that yet.

**gcybill** · October 02, 2011, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze

It can be, but Hannibal invaded because of certain circumstances. History is an unbroken chain of events, and if your campaign does not go *exactly* as real history, there's no reason to include Hannibal for the simple reason that it's alternate history and thus wouldn't make much sense.

Make sense. So the link of event is much longer to go and need much effort to be made, as the first if you want to make is the event of Pyrhuss story to be finished first.
- Pyrhuss attack Lilybaion
- Pyrhuss sent back to greek land

Well.. to make this RTR into historically correct of event in long term really took so much time.

**Caligula Caesar** · October 02, 2011, 12:52 PM

To be honest, why should we script in battles when you are creating history yourself, so all the battles you fight are your own Cannaes and Zamas and Magnesias?

**gcybill** · October 02, 2011, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar

To be honest, why should we script in battles when you are creating history yourself, so all the battles you fight are your own Cannaes and Zamas and Magnesias?

To be exact is this, I know this game is about history, I also play games like Romance of the Three Kingdoms. In each historical game, I always want to first play against the history and conquer them the way unhistorically, and the next time I play I will try to see all history and be satisfy to follow them.

I mean that, the mod still need to guide us through some more historical event, and that's when the gamer choose to still follow the history, or look else where.

So in case, there are actually many historical events in Sicily island, the gamer can choose either ok, SPQR delay to capture Sicily by capturing Northern Italy and be stronger first, or I expand south to capture Sicily as fast as possible. It will make a decision making which we strategy-gamer always favour to do so.

RTW already gave the environment, RTR give more improvement by the first 2 events.

I also already see background_script.txt TurnNumber=0 where Pyrhuss engage Publius Valerius Laevinus. Well, really love to actually further expand this one though

**Antiokhos Euergetes** · October 02, 2011, 12:59 PM

It's not scripted battles I am in favour of, but more certain events.
The Carthaginian AI would never- well probably not- send an army to Italy. So I am infavour of helping it. But thats just my personnel take on it. Odviously as devs, you have tried your best to make things as historically accurate at start date as possible- I just like things to go a certain way, even if you change history as you go!