Arab springs are as dry as Arab summers

[thelionheart]

A few months ago, a guy called BuAzizi set himself on fire starting a revolution in Tunisia. The fire spread on to reach Egypt afterwards, and Mubarak fell. Then the Libyans revolted. This time Qaddafi wasn't going to surrender and so he started to annihilate the revolution. Soon the people started to fight back and the Libyan semi-civil took place till it ended with the victory of the revolutionaries recently. Syrians and Yemenis tried to do the same thing but apparently it is not going to work.

The problem that I face whenever I try to discuss politics with an enthusiastic European is that they always tend to oversimplify things. They view the Arabic world as people who are fighting for their liberty and leaders trying to stay in power.

The fact is, Arabic and especially Middle Eastern politics are way too complicated to be simplified like this. One of the most annoying yet important result of the so called Arabic spring is that it shows how much the sectarian division could lead to the destruction of entire nations. For instance this is what the Lebanese marionette cardinal said when he met the French president.

During his visit to Paris, al-Rahi linked the fate of Hizbullah’s weapons to the liberation of the remaining occupied Lebanese territories and expressed fear on the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, saying the group could threaten the existence of Christians in the region.

Source:

The Cardinal was speaking only out of his sectarian dogma. If we were to take a closer look at the people of natural Syria (including Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine) we would realize that they are not fanatically religious. Before the Alawites took control over Syria, Christians represented a much bigger percentage of the Syrian population. One of Syrians first presidents was a Christian and the sole existence of Christians in that area after the bloody crusades testifies for the tolerance of the people in that region of the world.

But the Cardinal doesn't really give a damn about democracy, future or human rights as most men of god don't (I am a Muslim nonetheless). He doesn't mind the oppression of about 18 million Sunnis in Syria. He doesn't mind living under Alawites protection as an inferior. He doesn't mind giving most of the political and military and industry positions to the Alawites. He neglects the not very far history, and common decency and even the Christian values and declares his full support to the unelected president of Syria.

Hezbollah - an ill-named party- are no better. There is even substantial evidences that prove that they are helping with the oppression of the Syrian people.

It is needless to say that some Syrian and Lebanese Christians, Shiites, and Alawites have denounced the regime’s crimes. The Lebanese Forces for example is a very religious Lebanese Christian political party threaded to boycott Cardinal AlRai, however most of the minorities in "natural Syria" do support the crimes that the regime is committing in their name.

The Syrian regime has always linked its existence with fighting Sunni terrorism whether it was the Muslim brotherhood, or the Salafis. In fact Iran and Syria are by far the strongest supporters of these organizations.

On the international level Europe is pre occupied with the war in Libya and its collapsing euro market. The United States isn't taking any serious action, because of Israel. See for about forty years, Assad’s regime has been a great help for Israel. Rami Makhlouf, president Asad's cousin and the biggest capitalist in Syria has stated that clearly.

Hafez Assad was head of defense in the last Arab-Israeli war and helped loose the battle. (source is an Arab documentary however Wikipedia states something similar to that here). For forty years not a single bullet or even a symbolic rock was thrown over to the Golan Heights. The regime never even retaliated or took any sort of action against Israel when it bombed a military base in Dier al zour.

Assad’s biggest support comes from the three other fascist regimes namely, China, Russia, and Iran into a wall. The Iranis want waist a chance to make the Arabs lives miserable. The Arabs were responsible for destroying their culture and they haven't managed to get over it and get a life yet. Link

The Russian politicians are being stupid as usual. They would trade the friendship of the nations with the friendship of some dictators. China on the other hand is also being stupid as well. I have started an initiative in an attempt to boycott these two nations, and I really hope it works. After all, Russia lost big time in Libya.

As for Bahrain I am really glad that the Arabs had the guts to defy Iran and stop it in its tracks. Having Iran that close to Arabian Peninsula, would only increase our problems with them. Any fair observer would realize that what happened in Bahrain was different than what is happening in Syria. Shiites have good lives in the gulf compared to the Sunnis of Iran. Despite of that, most Shiites sadly prefer to be free spies for the fackeeeh (not intended).

Minorities are not the only problem Arabs face. The Muscum Brotherhood and the Salafis movement in Egypt are a far bigger problem. The Muscum brotherhood is responsible for ethnic cleansing in Sudan. They are responsible for causing Sudan to divide, even though I admit that there are other factors as well. The division in Sudan is not a minor problem. It means that Arabs are now further away from the place where the Nile originates. If the countries nearer to the origin decided to build damns, and they did, it will result in Egypt becoming a desert!

The Muslim brotherhood helped bring down Mubarak, a president who stood bravely in the face of Iran, and despite some corruption problems, and despite the fact that he is no Sadat, he is much better than what will come after him. Salafis of Egypt make up a great proportion of the populace. These people are completely retarded. They are not fit to govern their own bellies let alone a country that is so vital to the stability of the region and the very existence of Arabs.



Things look dim for Arabs. They are the unlucky nation to host the self promised land of Jews. They are unlucky to have been ruled for the past few centauries by idiots who banned printing under religious dogma. They are unlucky to have a moron such as Abdulnasser to lead them into suicide and to give parts of the Arab world to scumbags like Kaddafi and Assad to rule and give Israel a reason to expand. They are unlucky to have petrol that invited the United States to come to Iraq and kill and torture thousands of its people. They are unlucky to have leaders such as Saddam Hussein who was fooled into the Kuwait trap. They are unlucky to have tolerated minorities. And finally they are unlucky to have scum bags who dress as if we were in the seventh century to tell them how to pee and how not to pee (I am not kidding).

[Rolling Thunder]

So, basically, you're irritated that a bishop has expressed concern over the Muslim Brotherhood, and that Iran and Saudi are basically the two cultural centres of the Islamic World and are now engaged in a ethno-religious pissing match to seize control over as much of the region as possible.

[thelionheart]

So, basically, you're irritated that a bishop has expressed concern over the Muslim Brotherhood, and that Iran and Saudi are basically the two cultural centres of the Islamic World and are now engaged in a ethno-religious pissing match to seize control over as much of the region as possible.

The bishop didn't express his concerns. He went to France to help the Syrian regime just because of his baseless sectarian views. The man said that Sunnis of syria could unite with sunnis of lebanon and the political role of the Christians would end!!!!! and yes I am pissed of that Saudi Arabia and Iran are the centers of the Islamic world, because they both deserve to be sent into the 5th century.

I am ing speechless.....
I don't know what's worse, the dozens of outrageous and baselss claims, or you trying to present tolerance of minorities as a bad thing. I really am shocked at this. If you were trying outline all the wrong things with the Arab world, you have, with your attitude and views.

My claims weren't baseless, they were provided with solid evidence. tolerance of minorities is one thing, and allowing the minorities to f*#k us, and help every invader in our history to f*#k us is another thing. Take European Muslims for example. The Burqa is banned in France, minarets are banned in Switzerland and Muslims every word are followed and watched. There is about 22% right extremists in europe and they concerned about the 1000 terrorists that the German minister said there is in Germany!!
Is what Europe doing a bad thing? My answer is no, this is how minorities should be treated. They should have their full rights to live and work and party all they want, but they should not be a part of politics.

Would any Muslim extremist say about the Christians of Egypt any bad thing without going to jail? No. But can a European parliament member make a documentary about how evil Muslims are? yes. Can a muslim be a president? No, in fact if they suspect that you are a Muslim then you are not eligible for Presidency, does Obama ring a bell? At the same time there was a christian Syrian president 50 years ago and after bashar the most lucky candidate is also a christian called Michel Kilo.

And I am shocked that you haven't read what I said about the Salafis and the Muslim Brotherhood. I certainly didn't say that the minorities are the only ones to be blamed.

This just completely unraveled the whole post.

why ?

[Dr. Croccer]

My claims weren't baseless, they were provided with solid evidence. tolerance of minorities is one thing, and allowing the minorities to f*#k us, and help every invader in our history to f*#k us is another thing. Take European Muslims for example. The Burqa is banned in France, minarets are banned in Switzerland and Muslims every word are followed and watched. There is about 22% right extremists in europe and they concerned about the 1000 terrorists that the German minister said there is in Germany!!
Is what Europe doing a bad thing? My answer is no, this is how minorities should be treated. They should have their full rights to live and work and party all they want, but they should not be a part of politics.

Would any Muslim extremist say about the Christians of Egypt any bad thing without going to jail? No. But can a European parliament member make a documentary about how evil Muslims are? yes. Can a muslim be a president? No, in fact if they suspect that you are a Muslim then you are not eligible for Presidency, does Obama ring a bell? At the same time there was a christian Syrian president 50 years ago and after bashar the most lucky candidate is also a christian called Michel Kilo.

Not that I condone the views and actions of some Far Right groups here, but it is because Muslims in Europe are immigrants who've yet to integrate themselves into European society properly, whereas Copts and Jews are overwhelmingly native, and have lived and been integrated in their respective societies for centuries.

[thelionheart]

Not that I condone the views and actions of some Far Right groups here, but it is because Muslims in Europe are immigrants who've yet to integrate themselves into European society properly, whereas Copts and Jews are overwhelmingly native, and have lived and been integrated in their respective societies for centuries.

The ashkinaz weren't here before, and a lot of the Europeans such as my great grandparents were 100% European Muslims and were expelled. I do agree that Muslims here don't integrate well with the society, but at least they don't work on destroying their societies.

Even the french president condemned what the man said and the white house cancelled a preset meeting with him.

I don't remember saying anything about the copts or native jews

i actually think there is more tensions between the sunii and shiite in lebanon, not muslims and christians, those days are long gone, and hopefully, not another civil war.

Especially that the biggest christian political party spoke loudly against the Cardinal. But there is an overwhelming support to the Syrian regime by the minorities in Lebanon and Syria as well as the Shiites of Iraq that I can't see a good future between the Sunni majority and the minorities after this.

[panzer 4]

Especially that the biggest christian political party spoke loudly against the Cardinal. But there is an overwhelming support to the Syrian regime by the minorities in Lebanon and Syria as well as the Shiites of Iraq that I can't see a good future between the Sunni majority and the minorities after this.

yes this is a big concern, if the revolution succeeds or not, imagine the amount of violence that will happen after this. the amount of laws to restrict basic rights and movement will be enforced in the name of security

[Principe Alessandro]

My claims weren't baseless, they were provided with solid evidence. tolerance of minorities is one thing, and allowing the minorities to f*#k us, and help every invader in our history to f*#k us is another thing. Take European Muslims for example. The Burqa is banned in France, minarets are banned in Switzerland and Muslims every word are followed and watched. There is about 22% right extremists in europe and they concerned about the 1000 terrorists that the German minister said there is in Germany!!
Is what Europe doing a bad thing? My answer is no, this is how minorities should be treated. They should have their full rights to live and work and party all they want, but they should not be a part of politics.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Muslims are immigrants that have the duty to adapt to their new place where they are living, they aren't natives, in Europe we tolerate the native minorities (like the German minority in Italy for example) while immigrants are simply immigrants with a cultural background that has no meaning nor reason to exist here.

[thelionheart]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Muslims are immigrants that have the duty to adapt to their new place where they are living, they aren't natives, in Europe we tolerate the native minorities (like the German minority in Italy for example) while immigrants are simply immigrants with a cultural background that has no meaning nor reason to exist here.

Yes in Europe you have a very beautiful history of tolerating minorities. Does the Holocaust ring a bell ? No? how about the Spanish inquisitions ?

Let me clarify one thing. I am not saying that I want to exterminate anybody. Its too late any way. The 14th century ended some 600 years ago. What I want is Sunnis -the majority- to rule where they are a majority so that they would create a true secular democracy.....eventually. I want to wipe out minorities as groups not as people. To remove them logically, not physically. However, if we look at the reasons behind the European Renaissance is that they have no rival religion. This is important because they didn't face what we faced when we moved to secularism 70 years ago. No minorities took control over the government and tried to revenge for killing a historical figure some 1300 years ago!

Syria is an example of this. in the 1960s, Syria was ruled under a true democracy. However, most of the army officers were aliwites, because Sunnis refused to join the army during the french occupation. And the democratic government that ruled afterwards didn't notice that. Eventually Alawiites under Assad ruled Syria as a sect. So the problem isn't with an Alawiite president, the problem is that the Alawiite sect controls every thing in Syria, the economy, the military, and the government by force. They made the rest of the sects including Christians as their slaves and 2nd degree citizens and gave them, as well as the Lebanese a miserable life. Sunnis and Arabs are under slow ethnic cleansing not the other way around! All because we allegedly killed Hussein. how ridiculous!


One more thing. I don't see how banning the Burqaa, the Minerates and treating every Muslim as a terrorist suspect an integration process. At the same time when Christians in Qatar and Emirates are building churches and living their lives the way they want without anyone telling them that they have to integrate. A christian can be a presidential candidate in Egypt for example, but when fails its because the Muslims are retarded. But when Obama tries so hard to prove that he isn't a Muslim so that the American Christians would vote for him, that's Democracy.

[Dr. Croccer]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Muslims are immigrants that have the duty to adapt to their new place where they are living, they aren't natives, in Europe we tolerate the native minorities (like the German minority in Italy for example)

Not really. Northern Europeans are tolerant of native minorities, if not supportive, most of the Romance countries have yet to evolve out of their misguided cultural arrogance, or have done so very reluctantly.

However, if we look at the reasons behind the European Renaissance is that they have no rival religion. This is important because they didn't face what we faced when we moved to secularism 70 years ago. No minorities took control over the government and tried to revenge for killing a historical figure some 1300 years ago!

Erm, the Reformation ring a bell? The Enlightenment was a result of some of the most destructive sectarian conflict.

[Principe Alessandro]

Not really. Northern Europeans are tolerant of native minorities, if not supportive, most of the Romance countries have yet to evolve out of their misguided cultural arrogance, or have done so very reluctantly.

What?

See how we treat our minorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentin.../S%C3%BCdtirol

[Rolling Thunder]

The bishop didn't express his concerns. He went to France to help the Syrian regime just because of his baseless sectarian views. The man said that Sunnis of syria could unite with sunnis of lebanon and the political role of the Christians would end!!!!! and yes I am pissed of that Saudi Arabia and Iran are the centers of the Islamic world, because they both deserve to be sent into the 5th century.

Syrian bishop expresses views you dislike.
Blame Christianity.

too late for ethnic cleansing.. we passed the middle ages a few hundred years ago.

but we're still very unlucky to have tolerated our killers' ancestors

There have been Copt and Zorastarian minorities in the M.E since long before Mohammed was in nappies. The Crusader population was an entirely separate influx of Western Europeans (most of them rich, powerful and psychopathic) who turned up in the Holy Land, banjaxed the out of everything that moved and then left a century later. Their remnants in the population are going to insignificant at best.

Put bluntly, equating Coptic Christians with Catholic Crusaders is just mad.

[thelionheart]

Syrian bishop expresses views you dislike.
Blame Christianity.

He is a Lebanese Bishop, not a Syrian, and I didn't blame Christianity. I blamed Christians, who do support their Cardinal.

There have been Copt and Zorastarian minorities in the M.E since long before Mohammed was in nappies. The Crusader population was an entirely separate influx of Western Europeans (most of them rich, powerful and psychopathic) who turned up in the Holy Land, banjaxed the out of everything
that moved and then left a century later. Their remnants in the population are going to insignificant at best.
Put bluntly, equating Coptic Christians with Catholic Crusaders is just mad.

I don't remember saying that!
Anyway, I am a Muslim with absolutely 100% non Arabic DNA. I can tell because I have a pedigree So the religion of Islam =/= the Arabic People.

[Blaze86420]

I am ing speechless.....
I don't know what's worse, the dozens of outrageous and baselss claims, or you trying to present tolerance of minorities as a bad thing. I really am shocked at this. If you were trying outline all the wrong things with the Arab world, you have, with your attitude and views.

[Admiral Piett]

Things look dim for Arabs. They are the unlucky nation to host the self promised land of Jews. They are unlucky to have been ruled for the past few centauries by idiots who banned printing under religious dogma. They are unlucky to have a moron such as Abdulnasser to lead them into suicide and to give parts of the Arab world to scumbags like Kaddafi and Assad to rule and give Israel a reason to expand. They are unlucky to have petrol that invited the United States to come to Iraq and kill and torture thousands of its people. They are unlucky to have leaders such as Saddam Hussein who was fooled into the Kuwait trap. They are unlucky to have tolerated minorities. And finally they are unlucky to have scum bags who dress as if we were in the seventh century to tell them how to pee and how not to pee (I am not kidding).

This just completely unraveled the whole post.

[panzer 4]

i actually think there is more tensions between the sunii and shiite in lebanon, not muslims and christians, those days are long gone, and hopefully, not another civil war.

[Blaze86420]

My claims weren't baseless, they were provided with solid evidence. tolerance of minorities is one thing, and allowing the minorities to f*#k us, and help every invader in our history to f*#k us is another thing.

Really? Ok I'll list them for you:
-"Muslim brotherhood caused the massacres in Darfur." Source?
-"Gamal Abdel Nasser put the Baathists in Syria. Err, not even close. The Baathists came to power in a coup that toppled Nasser's UAR.
-"Iran funds the Muslim brotherhood and the Salafis." Wtf? The salafis are vehemently anti-Shia, why in the word would Iran fund them? And prove that they are funding the Muslim brotherhood.
-"Hafez was the reason the Arabs lost in the Yom Kippur war." Again, no. I hate Hafez as much as any other Arab dictator but he was not the reason for this loss. Are you aware that it was your hero Sadat who ordered to stop the Egyptian advance while the Syrians had to deal with the entire IDF? Sadat basically closed one front, his front, and left the Syrians for themselves. But of course, Hafez is Shiite, so he is automatically the one to blame.
-Your praise for Mubarak. Really? You support that tyrannical bastard and his corrupt regime? You're so paranoid of the Shias that you'd support an American puppet? How typical.

Take European Muslims for example. The Burqa is banned in France, minarets are banned in Switzerland and Muslims every word are followed and watched. There is about 22% right extremists in europe and they concerned about the 1000 terrorists that the German minister said there is in Germany!!
Is what Europe doing a bad thing? My answer is no, this is how minorities should be treated. They should have their full rights to live and work and party all they want, but they should not be a part of politics.

No thank you. You may not want a say in your present country's politics and I wouldn't be surprised considering your support for dictators and repression of minorities but I'm a Canadian citizen like everyone else. So I'm going to ing vote like everyone else.

And I am shocked that you haven't read what I said about the Salafis and the Muslim Brotherhood. I certainly didn't say that the minorities are the only ones to be blamed.

I did read actually, and I find it hilarious that you think Iran is after the Salafi movement. Just to make it clear, I do believe the Arab world is screwed. But not just because of Iran, but because of the demented sectarianism in this region. This is why your country was destroyed in a civil war, and it will the first of many sectarian conflicts if the Arab world has the same attitude as you.

[Their Law]

I would be really interested into having thelionheart explain the 'Kuwait trap'.

[thelionheart]

Hello Blaze, how are you? I hope that you are fine.

It is sad how Arabs never seem to get it right. They, as you just did, base their entire logic on idealism not on evidence. If you tell someone that Shiites are fighting us they would go and bring a good person who happens to be a Shiite and then say "Hey, look, he is Shiite and he is not a daemon!" However, that kind of logic fails to grasp the truth that if all Shiites were good (and they are on a personal level) that wouldn't mean necessarily that they as a whole mean well to us. A typical Arab would hear the statement Shiites are fighting us and say "OH great shame, you are a sectarian, you belong in the 7th century and ...." But what if I was telling the truth? what if they were actually doing this? would we wake up then later after it is too late?

Really? Ok I'll list them for you:
-"Muslim brotherhood caused the massacres in Darfur." Source?

The Muslim brotherhood are part of the Stupid Sudanese government that is convicted of committing crimes against humanity. Insteed of just resigning as he should, Albasheer decided to stay in power and let Sudan be Sudans.

-"Gamal Abdel Nasser put the Baathists in Syria. Err, not even close. The Baathists came to power in a coup that toppled Nasser's UAR.

Jamal Abdel Nasser is one of Arabs most stupid leaders ever. Nasser didn't want to unite with Syria in the first place. Nasser was an ally to the Baathists who took the sentence "fighting the Muslim Brotherhood" as a slogan. Can you guess who was fighting the Muslim Brotherhood (which was worthy back then) ?

-"Iran funds the Muslim brotherhood and the Salafis." Wtf? The salafis are vehemently anti-Shia, why in the word would Iran fund them?

Iran funds them to USE them.

And prove that they are funding the Muslim brotherhood.

Hello ? do you know Saleem Alawwa ?

-"Hafez was the reason the Arabs lost in the Yom Kippur war." Again, no. I hate Hafez as much as any other Arab dictator but he was not the reason for this loss. Are you aware that it was your hero Sadat who ordered to stop the Egyptian advance while the Syrians had to deal with the entire IDF? Sadat basically closed one front, his front, and left the Syrians for themselves. But of course, Hafez is Shiite, so he is automatically the one to blame.

hmm
you did read this didn't you ?

-Your praise for Mubarak. Really? You support that tyrannical bastard and his corrupt regime? You're so paranoid of the Shias that you'd support an American puppet? How typical.

Those who did the crimes are still in power. Mubarak was standing in the way of Iran and that's why the Muscum brotherhood revolted against him. It's not because he is a dictator. And still he's by far much better than Qaddafi and Asad. At least peeople didn't need to pray to his photos and people weren't tortured to death by blowing up their hands and breaking their shoulders and decapitating them.

No thank you. You may not want a say in your present country's politics and I wouldn't be surprised considering your support for dictators and repression of minorities but I'm a Canadian citizen like everyone else. So I'm going to ing vote like everyone else.

Again with the theories! You have a say in the Canadian politics.... in theory of-course.

I did read actually, and I find it hilarious that you think Iran is after the Salafi movement.

Of-course Iran is not after the Salafi movement. The Salafis of Egypt are very stupid and could be used by Iran. Unless of-course you are hunting for mistakes.

Just to make it clear, I do believe the Arab world is screwed. But not just because of Iran, but because of the demented sectarianism in this region.

Sunnis tried secularism, but even atheists of Sunni parents are damning that. just take a look at this atheistic forum www.tabee3i.com and see for yourself. The minorities, especially Alawiites in Syria have taken control and decided to make the rest of the sects poor, miserable, week and humiliated. The only way to get out of this is if Sunnis win. This will eventually lead to a truly secular nation.

This is why your country was destroyed in a civil war, and it will the first of many sectarian conflicts if the Arab world has the same attitude as you.

Nope. The Syrian regime was an important factor to elongate the war and caused most of the casualties. My attitude was not fed to me by my parents. My parents aren't really religious. It wasn't fed to me in mosques. Mosques in Lebanon never speak about hatred towards the other. I had to learn it the hard way by being mistreated by Shiites for years.

I am sorry blaze, however the crimes that I'm hearing about that the Syrian regime is doing by the support of Iran, Iraqi Shiites and Hezbollah as well as the alawiites of Syria has removed every sort of "perfectionism" I used to have. I would also hope that you watch safa tv more often and hear what the people in that channel have to say. If only the resources I have in Arabic were also available in English!!

I would be really interested into having thelionheart explain the 'Kuwait trap'.

Saddam should have realized that invading Kuwait will scare the hell out of the other gulf countries and would be used as an excuse to invade Iraq.

[Blaze86420]

Hello Blaze, how are you? I hope that you are fine.

I'm good, university is a though.

It is sad how Arabs never seem to get it right. They, as you just did, base their entire logic on idealism not on evidence. If you tell someone that Shiites are fighting us they would go and bring a good person who happens to be a Shiite and then say "Hey, look, he is Shiite and he is not a daemon!" However, that kind of logic fails to grasp the truth that if all Shiites were good (and they are on a personal level) that wouldn't mean necessarily that they as a whole mean well to us. A typical Arab would hear the statement Shiites are fighting us and say "OH great shame, you are a sectarian, you belong in the 7th century and ...." But what if I was telling the truth? what if they were actually doing this? would we wake up then later after it is too late?

Do you think that I save my criticism for only one side of this issue? Both sides are sectarian and both sides hate each other on the basis of religious beliefs alongside political differences. You always criticise Iran and how it suppresses its sunni and arab minorities but applaud how Bahrain and Saudi Arabia mistreats its Shiite minorities. I'm not ignoring either of the two examples, I don't like the theocracy in Iran nor the one in Arabia. I'm not being idealist here, I'm only making observations. And you're wrong by the way, most Arabs do not share the same views as mine. On the contrary, many share yours, and do believe that Shias are a danger and that the two sects cannot be reconciled. I've said it it before and I'll say it again: I'm a hundred percent Sunni. I think Shia Islam's core beliefs are all wrong and its development was an unnecessary diversion from a purely political conflict that was the fitnah. But I do not support the silencing of the followers of either of these sects.

The Muslim brotherhood are part of the Stupid Sudanese government that is convicted of committing crimes against humanity. Insteed of just resigning as he should, Albasheer decided to stay in power and let Sudan be Sudans.

I want a source for this because this is the first time I've ever heard this. I searched wiki and there was nothing about the Muslim brotherhood in Sudan.

Jamal Abdel Nasser is one of Arabs most stupid leaders ever. Nasser didn't want to unite with Syria in the first place. Nasser was an ally to the Baathists who took the sentence "fighting the Muslim Brotherhood" as a slogan. Can you guess who was fighting the Muslim Brotherhood (which was worthy back then) ?

Wrong again. If Nasser didn't want to unite with Syria, he wouldn't have! It's as simple as that! If you want to convince me of what you think was a conspiracy then at least back it up. Nasser was certainly not an ally of the Baathists. They might have shared similar political views but they certainly were not friendly. When the Baathists took over in Syria Nasser refused to negotiate with them even if it meant the death of his goal of unity. And why exactly do you think the Muslim brotherhood was good back then and bad now? Didn't you say you supported secularism? The Brotherhood always advocated Islamism.

Iran funds them to USE them.

Hello ? do you know Saleem Alawwa ?

Alright then give me evidence that they do instead of talking in riddles.

hmm
you did read this didn't you ?

I did, I don't get what you're trying to show me. Please quote the text you want me to see.

Those who did the crimes are still in power. Mubarak was standing in the way of Iran and that's why the Muscum brotherhood revolted against him. It's not because he is a dictator.

Ok so please mention one advantage the Brotherhood has gained since the revolution.

Again with the theories! You have a say in the Canadian politics.... in theory of-course.

And you're still wrong. What difference is it if I'm a Muslim or an Arab? I should be able to participate in politics and even become a prime minister both in theory and practice.

Nope. The Syrian regime was an important factor to elongate the war and caused most of the casualties.

What initiated the war was mostly our fault actually (Palestinians) but what it was about was really different sects and religions trying to aquire power. If I wanted to put the blame on a group involved in the civil war it would be the Maronite Christians and their fascist ideologies and the Palestinians. Definitley not the Shias.

I am sorry blaze, however the crimes that I'm hearing about that the Syrian regime is doing by the support of Iran, Iraqi Shiites and Hezbollah as well as the alawiites of Syria has removed every sort of "perfectionism" I used to have. I would also hope that you watch safa tv more often and hear what the people in that channel have to say. If only the resources I have in Arabic were also available in English!!

Well I am very sorry to hear that. I for one will refuse to put the blame on an entire sect because of the actions of some. Just like how I wouldn't expect someone to put the blame on Islam for the crimes of some.

[Their Law]

So the gulf states deliberately tricked Saddam into invading Kuwait, for the explicit purpose of getting the West to invade.

Instead of Saddam invading to gain access to the Kuwait's oil supplies in order to help pay off the economic fallout of the Iraq/Iran war.