For those with experience with Rome and the Leadership system

[Heinz Guderian]

Do you have any tips to cultivate good Roman family members? I love the Leadership system. Do you guys regularly bring them back to Rome to "upgrade" them? Do you keep the young fellas in Rome as they mature? For someone who just gains the Quaestor rank, do you get them to other settlements, and if so, do you find it difficult to make sure they stop in a settlement on their journey before hitting end turn?

Also, i have two consuls, is there a limit on Praetors? Please give me as many tips as you can about how your republic functions. sorry for my spelling. thanks

[cogre]

i send the lower ranks of to other settlements out of rome. this, at least in my mind, frees up rome as the "appointment" city.
now as for praetors, i am having trouble with one of mine who qualifies and has the appointment but does not get the praetor title in the list of qualities, i have tried keeping him in a city and when that didn't seem to work i put him in charge of a minor stack and used him to attack bandits, still didn't work...

[Heinz Guderian]

I'm loving this leadership system. I just lost two Consuls in Sicily to ambushes and a miscalculation and it has really hit my steamrolling there. The Carthaginians have come back with a vengeance. I'm scrambling to get a Praetor down there from Capua. The island will prob be theirs again within 10 turns. I know how the Romans felt now after the debacle of Cannae. Losing a consul can paralyse a republic.

i send the lower ranks of to other settlements out of rome. this, at least in my mind, frees up rome as the "appointment" city.
now as for praetors, i am having trouble with one of mine who qualifies and has the appointment but does not get the praetor title in the list of qualities, i have tried keeping him in a city and when that didn't seem to work i put him in charge of a minor stack and used him to attack bandits, still didn't work...

how many praetors do you currently have? do any other family members who are not eligble have the PRAE ancillary in their profiles? He needs to be in Rome for at least one turn to get it if you have any Praetor ranks free.

[cogre]

thanx man i guess i am just a worrier

edit. i am at the very begining of the game, just consolidating italia and i have three fm's who are eligible for praetorand no current praetors. two have the praetor appointmets and the other one doesn't. so i have one of the fm's with the appointment in rome right now for two turns and no praetor.

edit edit: it seems, after playing awhile, that the two eligible and with appointments are still the standing queastors. so it may be that they still need to serve out that offices term. at least that is where my thinking has me.

i have never paid this much attention to my fm's before, a totally new aspect of the game for me.

[Heinz Guderian]

thanx man i guess i am just a worrier

edit. i am at the very begining of the game, just consolidating italia and i have three fm's who are eligible for praetorand no current praetors. two have the praetor appointmets and the other one doesn't. so i have one of the fm's with the appointment in rome right now for two turns and no praetor.

edit edit: it seems, after playing awhile, that the two eligible and with appointments are still the standing queastors. so it may be that they still need to serve out that offices term. at least that is where my thinking has me.

i have never paid this much attention to my fm's before, a totally new aspect of the game for me.

i know i love it. Those two FMs who are still standing quaestors and are elligible for praetors, you need to drag and drop their queastor ancillary on a 16/17/18 year old FM (the youngsters wont be elligible for a Tribunus for a few years anyway) and then leave the elligible praetors in rome for at least one turn. They then should get the praetor ancillary (if you dont alread have too many that is e.g i have 2 and hold about 30 regions).

[cogre]

ah, ok . so where doe adiels (sp) fall in the lineup?

[Maurits]

The Cursus Honorum worked as follows:

1. Cavalry Commander
2. Tribunus Militum
3. Quaestor
4. Aedilis
5. Praetor
6. Consul

I advice to put FM's with an office in big settlements and bring the ancillaries required for them to progress in the Cursus Honorum to them by younger FM's who are still useless. Like that, I have my most important regions governed by Aedilis and Quastors, and the lesser ones by Tribunus Militums. They will get better, and eventually move to a more important region when they get older and more experienced. My Praetors usually govern a city in a border area, and the Consuls are always on the move to conquer more territory.

[cogre]

yeah, that is my plan now, right now i am adavancing all fm's toward rome to get re-organised then praetors take care of the bandits and the others govern major regions, damn this is involved. this first campaign is the learning one.

i have both consuls slowly taking over sicily and all other fm's going to the big meeting in rome.

[Heinz Guderian]

i have both consuls slowly taking over sicily and all other fm's going to the big meeting in rome.

be careful brother, i lost both my consuls in Sicily. Not even my triari could save them. But i know where they took my Eagle Standard. The whole Roman Republic will mobilise to get it back. I have signed peace treaties with the Illyrians and Gauls. We will not stop until the soil of Carthage has been salted and its peoples scattered into the Saharan desert.

[cogre]

man if that doesn't read like history, this is a fun mod. maddening but fun

edit: got my fm's sorted for now. and am bogged down in sicily whilst continuing to build up infrastructure in itialia. and with my northern praetor beat back bandits and , of all things, a scythian invasion army. wasn't expected them.

[Wismer]

so would it be like this (as far as my understanding of this goes):

1. Cavalry Commander - used to transport ancillaries that they acquire while residing in Rome (does this really happen? On random turns an "appt ancillary" spawns on these young'uns? And all I have to do is move them to a Family Member that is eligible for the ancillary rank?)

2. Tribunus Militum - Placed in frontier towns/newly conquered territories since they have bonus to public order

3. Quaestor - Govern Prosperous towns and cities of the interior

4. Aedilis - Same as Quaestor

5. Praetor - Internal Security: a form of Homeland Defense Force?

6. Consul - Offensive Army

I just got this Mod and have only taken baby steps into the campaign. I wanted first to secure a favorable loss against the Epirotes (general dead) and then work from there but I feel torn as to where to place my priorities.

[cogre]

sounds like you got it

[Valerius]

I've got all the kids sitting in Rome so they can bring or go get ancillaries.The problem I'm having is getting people to consul before they die >.<. If you start one at 16 and get his appointments on time he'll be eligible for consul at 47.I guess I didn't get people moving soon enough .Guess I'm going to have to restart.I also had a guy get a Quaestor after he dropped a TM off he sucked so I gave it to somebody better hehe.Thing is I didn't know I had that appointment available.Is there a chart to tell how many of each you have lol.

[Heinz Guderian]

i dont think so. I cycle through my FM's portrait screens to see if i'm missing anything. Make sure you pay attention to the Faction Announcements drop down box on the left after each end turn. It tells you who is elligible for anything that turn. And i understand about the consuls. You sometimes only get a few years good service out of them. I had one whizzing around North Afrika cos i was scared he was going to die since he was in his 60s. Then all of a sudden he died and my army was fragmented. A couple of turncoat armies later, the remaining men were picked off. I lost everything there.

I know now that i should have taken a praetor with me at least.

[Wismer]

What would have done if you brought your praetors with you to north Africa? Keep them at the conquered settlements while the consul fights? You probably couldn't go out and wage an offensive war with a praetor (that is if I am understanding this clearly enough).

A very fascinating turn on the whole tw realism series. I remember playing as the Romans as being a little boring but this certainly enlivens the game and makes progress much more difficult to obtain. It also helps that I've been listening to the history of Rome Podcast a lot more than I usually do :p

[Maurits]

Well, they can indeed help to consolidate a settlement after it has been conquered by your Consul, but also provide field support. When your Consul dies, only another Consul or Praetor will be able to gather a field army to confront invaders in your newly conquered territory. Therefore, it's always a good idea to take one with you when conquering new lands oversee.

[cogre]

and now i learn another tactic, man i love this game and mod. cheers

[Valerius]

I also use the TM so see which eligible FM is the best.Reading through the traits doesn't always help me sort it out hehe.I keep an eye on faction announcements and look through all my FM's every turn too.I'd just like to have an idea of how many of each appointment I have lol.

[Heinz Guderian]

I find that with FMs who have just become TMs, you can tell who is going to be a badass Praetor/Consul. You can tell by their eyes/stars/scrolls. I like to make sure they receive the best education and training Rome can provide. They can look forward to a cushy governorship of an outer territory, then maybe a couple of rebel battles, then a nice office in Capua before being given some silver chevroned Triari and Principes before and sent out to kill some Gauls/Carthaginians. And then, if enough men have died, they win a retirement in Rome or Sicily.

[XonE:32]

Do you have any tips to cultivate good Roman family members? I love the Leadership system. Do you guys regularly bring them back to Rome to "upgrade" them? Do you keep the young fellas in Rome as they mature? For someone who just gains the Quaestor rank, do you get them to other settlements, and if so, do you find it difficult to make sure they stop in a settlement on their journey before hitting end turn?

Also, i have two consuls, is there a limit on Praetors? Please give me as many tips as you can about how your republic functions. sorry for my spelling. thanks

No tips as yet. Total noob with the leadership mod, but I love it. It's especially great now that I know how to transfer ancillaries lol. I do try and get the Quaestors and Aedilis into new and/or large settlements. It's still early days in my campaign so it's not difficult right now.

I'm sure movement points were done the way they were for a good reason (balance maybe?), but as long as I've been playing RTR I don't know how that balance would be upset by having more accurate movement for lone FM's (i.e. no units attached to the stack) and ships. If I had a choice I think I'd have the ability for both to be able to move almost anywhere in the Italian peninsula in one turn during spring or summer and almost nowhere during the two winter months. But like I said, I'm ignorant of how that would bugger up the campaign and so I defer to the wisdom of the RTR team. Overall it's no biggy.