Good Bomber/Bad Bomber

**AJStoner** · September 20, 2011, 02:27 PM

The Simon Wiesenthal Center has been circulating a petition in hopes of getting the United Nations to declare suicide bombings a war crime. I object strongly…

First things are first, the text of the petition is as follows:

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To: UN and World Government Leaders We, the undersigned, petition the United Nations, its Security Council and World Government Leaders to join Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch to declare that homicide/suicide bombings and acts of terror against civilians are “war crimes against humanity.”

Furthermore, we insist that the United Nations, its Security Council and World Government Leaders declare that raising infants and children to become suicidal/homicidal bombers is a violation of fundamental human rights, a breach of the Geneva Convention and a war crime.

We ask that those political, governmental, military and religious organizations and their leaders and supporters be prosecuted by the International War Crimes Tribunal to the fullest extent of International Law. It is our firm belief that when these genocidal war crimes cease, populations will not have to conduct defensive actions against terrorism. When that happens, there stands to be improved chances of peace in the world through negotiation and civilized conflict resolution. The petitioners firmly believe that conflicts in the Middle East and elsewhere can and must be resolved by diplomatic, political and negotiated means, but that when civilians are attacked by terrorists, there is no recourse but for defensive measures.

We have signed this position and sent it to people of all faiths, ethnic backgrounds and political beliefs with the hopes that the UN and World Leaders will not only vote to divest countries of their weapons of mass destruction, but upon the immorality and criminality of raising of innocents to kill other innocents.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned
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My problem with this? Why “Suicide” bombings and not, say, aerial bombings, or shelling the

out of people with artillery for that matter? I will tell you: Because rich countries can afford planes and howitzers and poor ones cannot. In effect, what this petition is saying is that since Israel is wealthy it is right and proper for them to kill Palestinians. That’s what governments do and it is accepted practice. The dirty Palestinians, on the other hand, have no right to retaliate because they are poor and CAN’T afford these things.

All their feckless arguments about the “immorality and criminality of raising of innocents to kill other innocents” can be equally applied to the state of Israel sending uniformed goons to butcher people and take their land by force. In the end the only significant difference between a soldier and a terrorist is matching outfits.

This is what the rich always do. When they murder nations in the name of profit they glibly brush aside the carnage of their greed as the unfortunate cost of progress. If a man steels a loaf of bread to feed his starving family he’s a degenerate criminal sack of

. Hypocrisy is not morality, and this petition represents hypocrisy in its most naked form.

I have a plan to end all suicide bombings in Israel tomorrow: Sell the Palestinians Stinger Missiles. They aren’t crazy; they’re just making do with what they have: pissed-off teenagers. Who doesn’t have those?

**Angrychris** · September 20, 2011, 02:30 PM

i agree with the brain washing of children to be wrong but agree with you on everything else.

**Modestus** · September 20, 2011, 04:02 PM

A strange petition to say the least, you'd almost be forgiven for thinking that someone has somebody in mind for this crime.

As your at it why not just say its a crime to attack civilians....oh it is.

**AJStoner** · September 20, 2011, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Modestus

A strange petition to say the least, you'd almost be forgiven for thinking that someone has somebody in mind for this crime.

As your at it why not just say its a crime to attack civilians....oh it is.

I am not advocating violence against anyone, I am simply stating that it is hypocritical to set standards where one group has free reign to commit such actions and another is condemned for responding in kind just because they aren't at a certain level of wealth and power.

**Modestus** · September 20, 2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by AJStoner

I am not advocating violence against anyone, I am simply stating that it is hypocritical to set standards where one group has free reign to commit such actions and another is condemned for responding in kind just because they aren't at a certain level of wealth and power.

I am agreeing with you, this is a politically motivated petition and is clearly directed towards organisations that use this type of terror (suicide bombing) as a weapon against Israel.

We can all agree that deliberately targeting any non-combatants is a crime but I have to say I admire their neck considering the bombing of Gaza by Israel.

**ash874** · September 20, 2011, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by AJStoner

I am not advocating violence against anyone, I am simply stating that it is hypocritical to set standards where one group has free reign to commit such actions and another is condemned for responding in kind just because they aren't at a certain level of wealth and power.

on the other hand you guys always whine about disproportionate response
should we catapult tuna cans back at them to get your approval?
if they want to suicide bomb us than fine
they do the worst they can and than we do the worst we can

**AJStoner** · September 20, 2011, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by ash874

on the other hand you guys always whine about disproportionate response
should we catapult tuna cans back at them to get your approval?
if they want to suicide bomb us than fine
they do the worst they can and than we do the worst we can

Herman Goering couldn't have said it better.

This, however, is a dodge since it in no way addresses the issue being discussed. In fairness to you, though, you don’t have a legitimate point to make in the first place so your hands were kinda tied. And it is YOU guys (meaning the pro-Israel no matter the circumstances crowd) who put this petition out there, I am simply responding to it.

You have taken these people’s homes, you brutalize and humiliate them at every opportunity, and then have the audacity to be outraged when they hit back? Please…

**Modestus** · September 20, 2011, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by ash874

on the other hand you guys always whine about disproportionate response
should we catapult tuna cans back at them to get your approval?
if they want to suicide bomb us than fine
they do the worst they can and than we do the worst we can

It would be a start but I am sure they would pay for them or is there an embargo on tuna cans as well.

**Heinz Guderian** · September 20, 2011, 04:05 PM

as long as the target is military or has a military make up, then it is a legitmate tactic in war.

**hellheaven1987** · September 20, 2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

as long as the target is military or has a military make up, then it is a legitmate tactic in war.

But how about the damned infidels that actively paying tax to support their military force invade others?

**Magicman2051** · September 20, 2011, 04:07 PM

To be honest the suicide bombing issue has always been a stickler with me, I've never seen the logic unless fear is/was the intended result. Even then you could largely achieve the same level of fear with a box standard regular bombing campaign targeting infrastructure... with warnings beforehand...

**Heinz Guderian** · September 20, 2011, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Magicman2051

To be honest the suicide bombing issue has always been a stickler with me, I've never seen the logic unless fear is/was the intended result. Even then you could largely achieve the same level of fear with a box standard regular bombing campaign targeting infrastructure... with warnings beforehand...

its a bomb with the greatest guidance system of all time. Adaptable, fail safes in place, multiple redundancies, proximity detection. And nothing shakes up the enemy's morale with a good old fashioned suicide bombing. The Viet Minh used it well in the 60s and 70s.

**molonthegreat** · September 20, 2011, 05:00 PM

Huh, I thought the Simon Wiesenthal organisation was about hunting Nazis, as for this proposal I think it's unnecessary since I don't think that he persons behind the organisations using suicide bombings would suddenly stop training bombers and instead holding hands and singing Kumbaya just because it's branded a war crime. Most likely they would just shrug their shoulders before lecturing on about the virgins the bombers will receive, so what purpose would it serve?

**Himster** · September 20, 2011, 06:03 PM

Targeting civilians is a terrorist attack no matter who pushes the button.

**Primo** · September 21, 2011, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Himster

Targeting civilians is a terrorist attack no matter who pushes the button.

Or if the one pushing the button dies. You are definitly correct.

**Denny Crane!** · September 21, 2011, 06:36 AM

Not only is suicide bombing a tactic against civilians it often involves abuse of the population which starts the attack.

In the same way that bombing a city is a war crime in a plane then so is suicide bombing a city - but oddly slightly worse, less precision and more targeted at civilians.

**Heinz Guderian** · September 21, 2011, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Denny Crane!

Not only is suicide bombing a tactic against civilians it often involves abuse of the population which starts the attack.

In the same way that bombing a city is a war crime in a plane then so is suicide bombing a city - but oddly slightly worse, less precision and more targeted at civilians.

Bombing a city in a plane isnt a war crime if the target is military. Neither is a suicide bombing. And a suicide bomb is guided by the greatest targetting system/friend or foe system on Earth

**hellheaven1987** · September 21, 2011, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

Bombing a city in a plane isnt a war crime if the target is military. Neither is a suicide bombing. And a suicide bomb is guided by the greatest targetting system/friend or foe system on Earth

You mean every suicide bomb has a human GPS?

**AJStoner** · September 21, 2011, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Denny Crane!

Not only is suicide bombing a tactic against civilians it often involves abuse of the population which starts the attack.

In the same way that bombing a city is a war crime in a plane then so is suicide bombing a city - but oddly slightly worse, less precision and more targeted at civilians.

Often, but not always. A lot of suicide attacks are aimed at strictly military targets. Civilian casualties are sexier though and make better newspaper copy. Really dating myself with newspaper analogies, aren't I?

**Denny Crane!** · September 21, 2011, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

Bombing a city in a plane isnt a war crime if the target is military. Neither is a suicide bombing. And a suicide bomb is guided by the greatest targetting system/friend or foe system on Earth

Well when I said city the implication that I intended was I meant a civilian target.

Originally Posted by AJStoner

Often, but not always. A lot of suicide attacks are aimed at strictly military targets. Civilian casualties are sexier though and make better newspaper copy. Really dating myself with newspaper analogies, aren't I?