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    Default EB April preview

    Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans

    We are still working hard at the project and each day brings us closer to a new big update to EB.
    The new update will correct more CTDs and bugs, as well as fine-tune some aspects of the mod to make it more historically accurate and enjoyable.
    However, we use the term update instead of patch, as it will have much more than just a few fixes here and there. New units and new skins will be added, as well as more traits & ancillaries and building updates.

    The team is also working on porting EB to v1.5 which will make the mod even more enjoyable with the new set of options and possibilities that version of R:TW gives us, such as rearranging cultures.
    A new steppe government system is also being worked on, which will feature three different options with four advancement levels.

    Enough with the introduction, to wet your appetites, here are some images of new units that are going to be in the next update to EB.
    And of course, a big thanks to Agart, Alin, Forgus, Psycho V and spirit of rob for making these units. And also a big thanks to the other modellers & skinners who have made many more units we are not showcasing now. Another big thanks to Teleklos Archelaou for the amount of work he's done on steppe governments. And also thanks to Dux Corvanus for the masterpiece at the end of this preview.
    Enjoy!!

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    Getai Tarabostes
    Mounted war bands comprising warriors provided by the tarabostes families, usually veterans attached to a war chief, in this respect resembling the Gallic nobility, they form the main volunteer force for pillage raids. They are fearsome all-round cavalry, well armored and looking upon war as to a class-affair. Their overconfidence combined with dacian religious beliefs makes these men prone to charge against tremendous odds as long as their chieftain is alive; thus, they lack the discipline required to any elite cavalry, but their traditional ferocity can always turn the tide of battle.

    Historically, the tarabostes had a much more independent spirit than any centralised authority would have prefered. Each of the more important tarabostes houses seems to have had its own dava (the equivalent of the oppidum) and they mantained rather large forces at their own expense; their troops were experienced and loyal, bound to their leader through a system of privileges and favors. These proved their worth during Burebista's campaigns against the Boii and Taursicii, when they seem to have had the upper edge over the Celtic cavalry. Still, precisely these forces provided the tarabostes the needed self-confidence when they assasinated Burebista in 44 B.C., upon hearing the news that Caesar no longer threatened the kingdom's borders.


    Kleruchoi Phalangitai - Ptolemaioi
    The Ptolemaic and Seleukid kings had a distinct problem in their military administration of far flung empires: namely that the number of ‘safe’ Greek troops was never very large, and had to be carefully used in battle. However, their phalanx had to be maintained, so each Empire designed a novel solution: the establishment of the Kleruchy, or military settlement. Each Kleruch was given a plot of land and some ersatz equipment, as well as a tax reduction, and in turn pledged to fight for the dynasty of his employment. The Kleruchs included, in order of numbers contributed, Jews, native Syrians, Libyans, Persians, Chaldeans, and many, many others. They are armed with the traditional weapons of the phalanx, namely a shield, sword, and pike. Armored with linen, they make up a strong, professional corps that, while not quite as powerful as Pezhetairoi, are at least less expensive.

    Historically, Kleruchs made up anywhere from 40-60% of the main phalanx, which freed up many Greeks to fight in more elite units. Many Kleruchs who served in these units were often able to join more prestigious units and be replaced by others, leading to the Kleruch Agema and Galatian Kleruchs and Iudaioi Hippeis under the Ptolemies, or the Argyraspidai, Thorakitai, and Iudaioi Taxeis under the Seleucids. They form a vital link in the chain of a complete army for the Asian and African successor kingdoms, and are not to be discounted. While less intrinsically valuable than Pezhetairoi, they are able to hold a line quite well if properly supported, and can indeed free up your army to include more cavalry and other essentials that would once have been taken up by better and more expensive pikemen.


    Rauxsa-alanna Baexdzhyntae (Roxolani Riders) - Hayasdan, Pahlava, Pontos, Sauromatae & Rebels
    The lances used by the Roxolani riders represent a shift of emphasis in Sarmatian warfare from mounted archery and attrition warfare towards fierce charges and shock combat. Equipped with the kontos, a lance over four meters long usually wielded with both hands, and wearing good scale armor, Roxolani lancers can deliver a charge that few foes, mounted or on foot, can withstand, though a solid wall of pike or spear points will still be largely immune to such frontal attacks. Even so, many horse archers still fight alongside them and they themselves also carry bows and are adept at the feigned flight and all the other steppe maneuvers that can throw an enemy into disorder. In addition to kontos, bow, and scale armor, a longsword completes the lancer’s panoply.

    Historically, even the first armies of horse archers that emerged from the steppes probably contained a core of heavy cavalry. In this regard, the appearance and spread of armored riders wielding a long two-handed lance represented an innovation in steppe warfare more because of the specialization of their equipment and their greater numbers than by being a radically novel concept. For the Sarmatians in particular, the lancers were a relatively late development. Their first traces come from the Volga area in the third and second centuries BCE, but the troop type does not seem to have spread westward for some time. Moreover, the lancers, though they proved to be an effective complement, never completely superseded the horse archers. Nonetheless, Sarmatian armored lancers made an indelible impression upon Greek and Roman witnesses and eventually became the archetypical Sarmatian image.


    Celtic generals' helmets.

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    Here is a little sneak peek of the first stages in our new nomadic faction system. Once a nomadic faction conquers a province, they will have to make a decision about either migrating their peoples into it or enlisting the peoples currently in the province as their dependent allies. If they do choose to migrate into the province, another decision will present itself: the player will have to choose whether or not to retain a nomadic lifestyle (not available in all provinces) or to adopt a life there that is more settled and based upon agriculture. Other nomadic buildings aren't shown here, but this will be the most important decisions a player makes when they conquer a new province, and it will determine many other things, such as unit types recruitable there and what types of buildings might be constructed there.

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    And as an added bonus, a glimpse of something different:


    Start guessing ~

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    We hope you’ve enjoyed this news update!
    Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures, names, and descriptions shown in our previews are works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and we will continue to do so long after our initial release.
    Since some areas where these news items are posted cannot handle wide images, we appreciate your restraint from quoting full-size images.
    As always, if you have questions or comments, the best place to post them is here, where the EB team is most active:

    Europa Barbarorum ORG forum

    Europa Barbarorum TWC forum

    We give special thanks to Imageshack that provides us with a simple, foolproof, and free way to show you all these pictures each week.

    Have a great day!


    Sincerely,

    The Europa Barbarorum team.


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    k_raso's Avatar Biarchus
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    Great work.

    The 1st picture doesn`t show up... broken link...

    Beautiful helmets!!!! Looks great!!!

    About the faction icon:

    Is that a Chimera? If it is:

    Another Greek faction?
    Perhaps... The return of the Etruscans?! :laughing:
    Perhaps the Bosporan Kingdom?
    Last edited by k_raso; April 11, 2006 at 09:38 PM. Reason: Misspelling Bosporan

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    and

    for how good it looks
    for who i think is getting the boot

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    It better be that British Faction. Sorry I forgot the name, but RTR did away with it too. Good riddance. Never did notice them leave in any of my campains, it's a waste of space...

    Also, no Kretan Archer unit? Or Spartains? I realy did expect those! I like the new units though. Will Petzhataroi be more expensive for the Ptolemies in Future builds? To show thier comparative rarity, now that they have another Pike unit to fill that role?

    About the icon, is that a Deer with 7 antlers?

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    The Yuezhi are leaving, as we have stated many times.
    Ignoranti, quem portum petat, nullus suus ventus est. - Seneca


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khelvan
    The Yuezhi are leaving, as we have stated many times.
    Oh. Hum. Nevermind then. I typically avoid the mod project forums for fear of the local mods :laughing:

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    I'm hoping it's an Arabia-based faction. I believe it was mentioned in a EB forum on fourm.totalwar.org that Herodotus talked about such winged creatures existing in Arabia or south of egypt, as well it's just the feel of that emblem that makes me think it.

    I did find an Etruscan Chimera bronze model, but it doesn't look too much like it: http://www.crystalinks.com/etruscanbronze.jpg

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    I don't know why I think this, but I think it looks a little chinese.
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    How much will I pay to sit in front of a TV and chase polygons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogoas
    I don't know why I think this, but I think it looks a little chinese.
    They are merging with Blue Lotus! :Tongue:

    It does, and it even crossed my mind that it sort of seemed a tad Indian, but unless it were some minor kingdom in Bactria or Modern Day Pakistan, I'd doubt it would be one so far away.

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    Ya, it's just the backround circle thing looks like it's woven silk or something in chinese style.
    Quote Originally Posted by Honor&Glory inspired by Archer
    How much will I pay to sit in front of a TV and chase polygons?

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    Slaxx Hatmen's Avatar This isn't the crisis!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusader
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    And as an added bonus, a glimpse of something different:


    Start guessing ~

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    Scythia. Or atleast a certain tribe of the Saka.(Scythians)
    Under the patronage of Basileos Leandros I

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    Quote Originally Posted by the celt
    Scythia. Or atleast a certain tribe of the Saka.(Scythians)
    Some arabian peninsula faction? Would fit with a previous preview...
    The Best Is Yet To Come:

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    Very nice.
    "Tempus edax rerum." Ovid, Metamorphoses
    Under the patronage of Virgil.

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    They're antlers, so I'm guessing it's some sort of stag. The woven pattern does suggest some sort of barbarian faction, but I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusader

    Celtic generals' helmets.

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    The faction icon looks like a Saka/Scythian griffin to me. The bigger mystery is what the last two of those Celtic generals' helmets are based on, especially the swan one, which looks like something from a 1930s Wagner opera. Helmets tended to be decorated with feathers and horse-hair for a reason - they didn't catch blades. Those swan wings and horn things would be a liability in combat. What evidence are they based on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg
    Helmets tended to be decorated with feathers and horse-hair for a reason - they didn't catch blades.
    there were standart samples as well as unique helmets for generals and war chiefs. with the same logic you could doubt the existence of standart bearers, wardrums and winged husars in history. however they look absoultey brilliant and even if they wouldn't have been used in battle (which i doubt) they represent an impressive example of celtic craftmenship that wouldn't be visible otherwise.
    Last edited by swabian; April 12, 2006 at 05:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swabian
    there were standart samples as well as unique helmets for generals and war chiefs.
    If there is evidence for these helmets, I have no problem with them. I'm asking where or what the evidence for these designs are. Can someone answer?

    If there is no evidence for them, what are these pieces of fantasy doing in a realism mod?

    with the same logic you could doubt the existance of standart bearers, wardrums and winged husars in history.
    Er, no. I see no problem at all with standard bearers, wardrums or winged hussars. All of these things are fully attested by evidence. If there is actual evidence of these helmets, then fine. If there isn't, they are pieces of fantasy and have no place in EB.

    however they look absoultey brilliant and even if they wouldn't have been used in battle (which i doubt) they represent an impressive example of celtic craftmenship that wouldn't be visible otherwise.
    Again - the evidence? Where is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg
    -If there is evidence for these helmets, I have no problem with them. I'm asking where or what the evidence for these designs are.
    -Can someone answer?
    -If there is no evidence for them, what are these pieces of fantasy doing in a realism mod?
    -If there isn't, they are pieces of fantasy and have no place in EB.
    -Again - the evidence? Where is it?
    -The answer to that question is that these 'helmets' were not only not used in battle, most of them weren't helmets at all.
    -The question is why, if EB is a realism mod, the helmets being depicted aren't attested by actual evidence.
    -If EB is going to allow items which are figments of people's imaginations, where is the line to be drawn?
    -Surely the whole idea of a realism mod is to only depict things which were known to be used, not fantasy items.
    -Unless someone can demonstrate that these Wagnerian helmets were worn in EB's period, they have no place in a realism mod.
    -Why go to all the trouble (as I've helped to do) of reconstructing Proto-Germanic names etc, when the mod has helmets that look like they came out of the design department of the Lord of the Rings movies?
    -So why the fantasy pieces?
    -Those horned helmets are also totally ahistorical and have no place in EB either.
    It's been posted less than 12 hours. Just chill. Psycho will get over to this board and post his reasons and what evidence he used. There's no reason to continually blast them and call them fantasy (four, five times?) until you have a response to your initial question - and you can believe there will be a response (good or bad, and knowing Psycho and his complaints (needed) about the historicity of other units I would put my money on him bringing evidence in here when he does post here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
    Just chill. ... There's no reason to continually blast them and call them fantasy (four, five times?) until you have a response to your initial question
    Er, I'm perfectly chilled, thanks. The repetiton was in response to another poster defending them. If there is actually evidence for them, I'll be even more chilled. I was assuming that there were currently EB people on this thread that knew the evidence or reasoning behind these helmets and could answer my question. Apparently not.

    I've just gone back over all my source material on Celtic helmets in EB's period and can find nothing like these helms, so I'll be very interested to see what evidence they are based on.

    And, as a fan of and contributor to EB, I'll be relieved to learn they aren't pure fantasy.

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    I tend to agree with ThiudareiksGunthigg opinion, the Gaul general's helm is great but the Swan looks more suitable for the helmet of a medieval knight. Then again I believe elaborate helmets were used by the Celts for ceremonial purposes (shugs shoulders).

    I very much liked the Celtic lesser general's helms in the current Beta version but the British general was spoilt by a poor model. I would prefer to see a horned helmet instead as I think such a design was pretty much widespread amongst the Gauls.

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