How to pronounce EB?

[Enyalios]

Just wondering so if I'm saying it wrong I don't sound like a dunce later on.

I've been saying it like Bar-bare-ro-rum. I've heard others say Bar-ba-ro-rum with short syllables. Looking at it now, I'm guessing I've been pronouncing it wrong all this time.

[Giurza]

AFAIK all syllables are short except "o" which gets the stress. correct me if I'm wrong, but the that's were the stress should fall...

[Mediolanicus]

Bar (with a clear a, not like in English, short) ba (likewise) ro (like in to row without the -w but with a slightly more rolling "r") rum (like in "room" with a very short "oo" sound).

[Giurza]

Bar (with a clear a, not like in English, short) ba (likewise) ro (like in to row without the -w but with a slightly more rolling "r") rum (like in "room" with a very short "oo" sound).

exactly what Mediolanicus said

[postm00v]

EB : Eee Bee

[Durnaug]

EB : Eee Bee

Boom boom!

Taxi for postm00v!

[Rinan]

I tend to pronounce the "Europa" part the Greek way, for some reason. That means, pronouncing the EU part in a special way, just like the (supposed) historical pronuncation of "Zeus"... Can't think of any word in English that has that sound. It's like the Dutch "ui": http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...4/41/Nl-ui.ogg
But I suppose that in latin you pronounce the EU more like "uh"? (so more like, say, German).

Barbarorum I pronounce: barBArorum, with first a short, second a long, short o (should it be longer?) and then "room". If Mediolanicus is right (and I suppose he is ) this means I'm slightly off?!

[Boriak]

I imagine most of the people here pronounce 'Europa' much like 'Europe', that is YUROP. Personally, I use the Greek way that is saying EU-, then making a slight pause, followed by the ROPA part.

[Delta146]

As close as it gets in the language, yes, but it's still an easy enough sound to produce, even if it's not commonly spoken by English speakers.

[Giurza]

If anyone is looking for a good sounding Barbarorum part latin pronunciation, then one should hear the ingame "Equites Germanorum" they say Germanorum quite well, except the fact that they're heavily accented and "r" is terribly stressed. otherwise the vowels are good in that one.
Germanorum=Barbarorum in the way the vowels are pronounced. short, short, long stressed, and short...

[athanaric]

If anyone is looking for a good sounding Barbarorum part latin pronunciation, then one should hear the ingame "Equites Germanorum" they say Germanorum quite well, except the fact that they're heavily accented and "r" is terribly stressed.

Yeah, they have a French accent. Kinda funny if you think about it.

[Entropy Judge]

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[Rinan]

Mhm, I'm getting confused here, maybe I've been pronouncing barbarorum correctly after all. The confusion indeed lies in the fact that is more difficult to speak about linguistics in a non-native language. In Dutch, a "long o" would mean the "o" is pronounced like in the english "Clothes".

So I'm a tad confused. IPA doesn't help me, as I've never been able to learn it. Does anyone have a good source to learn it from?
I can't do rolling R by the way It sucks when I try speaking Spanish, for example So I do pronounce the Rs in Europa Barbarorum the French way.

EDIT 2: There's no "right" way of pronouncing EB. I believe this is my primary input to this thread, for anyone thinking something like: I've been saying EB wrong this whole time?

Interesting statement. Not sure if I agree or not. I'd say that it's best to pronounce it the classical latin way, since that's the actual language it's written in. But, since it's just a game, and all what really matters is that everyone understands what you're talking about, you could pronounce it anyway you want. That, and of course we can never be 100% sure of how classical latin was actually pronounced. Anyway, I prefer to have and hear a good authentic pronuncation of our favourite mod's name!

[mamik_yev_konak]

Yeah, they have a French accent. Kinda funny if you think about it.

Yes isn't it! It's even funnier if you recall that not all that long ago the French 'r' would not be today's voiced uvular fricative but rather the alveolar trill of Latin and many other languages today.

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Made my day!

Interesting statement. Not sure if I agree or not. I'd say that it's best to pronounce it the classical latin way, since that's the actual language it's written in. But, since it's just a game, and all what really matters is that everyone understands what you're talking about, you could pronounce it anyway you want. That, and of course we can never be 100% sure of how classical latin was actually pronounced. Anyway, I prefer to have and hear a good authentic pronuncation of our favourite mod's name!

"Classical Latin" is nothing more than what the Church reconstructed relatively recently in history. I'm more interested in the common tongue Latin, which for whatever reason is called "vulgar." And you should go into linguistics, I think you'd like it. You'll learn that it isn't always the case that just because a language isn't around you "can never be 100% sure of how [it] was actually pronounced," because there are ways

[Entropy Judge]

I'm more interested in the common tongue Latin, which for whatever reason is called "vulgar."

I'm pretty sure it's because vulgar comes from the Latin word for common/popular. So "vulgar Latin" is "common (tongue) Latin." At least, that's what I've read.

[Rinan]

"Classical Latin" is nothing more than what the Church reconstructed relatively recently in history. I'm more interested in the common tongue Latin, which for whatever reason is called "vulgar." And you should go into linguistics, I think you'd like it. You'll learn that it isn't always the case that just because a language isn't around you "can never be 100% sure of how [it] was actually pronounced," because there are ways

Haha, funny you mention that now that I'm quite concerned with what my future university education should consist of. I know that there are ways to find out how a language is supposedly pronounced, by looking at things like meter and rhyme in poetry, or spelling mistakes made in the past, and back-tracing from modern languages. I haven't done any in-depth research on it, though. Still, aslong as we don't have any time machines we can't know absolutely sure we're right? Then again, I might just be philosophically inclined to being sceptical

Also, what do you mean, Classical Latin being reconstructured by the Church? Isn't Classical Latin the formal written Latin of the Roman upperclass around the year 0, such as found in Caesar's works or Vergilius'?

[mamik_yev_konak]

Haha, funny you mention that now that I'm quite concerned with what my future university education should consist of.

It should consist mostly of learning to learn.

Also, what do you mean, Classical Latin being reconstructured by the Church? Isn't Classical Latin the formal written Latin of the Roman upperclass around the year 0, such as found in Caesar's works or Vergilius'?

It's not 'classical' at all. It's what the Church of the Middle Ages has allowed you to be able to study today...and any formal or standard Latin of antiquity and "Classical Latin" (as I mention it) are not necessarily the same thing.

EDIT (cause I didn't reply to all I wanted to): The common 'a' in German is not a long one, but I think most 'a' we see aren't long. You see, there's a difference between a long vowel that's actually a phoneme as opposed to one that is lengthened due to phonological processes. Unless I'm mistaken, it's not uncommon to see single and double vowels in orthographic Finnish. Accordingly, I believe Finnish to have a phonemic distinction between long and short vowels. That is to say, you may be able to find similar words which differ in meaning if you change the single vowel to a double vowel, and vice versa. But one can find long and short vowels in languages like German or English also, but with these tongues, the shortening and lengthening is precisely that: a phonological phenomenon, not indicative of an independent phoneme. You gave a prime example with bit, bid and bead. In this order, the vowels go from shortest to longest. The first two vowels are the same, but the second is longer than the first (ever so slightly, but empirically evident) because the consonant immediately following the vowel is voiced (meaning vocal folds in the larynx are closer together and vibrate), while the corresponding consonant in the first word is voiceless (open vocal folds, air moves freely). The vowel in bead is a different one, but it is most definitely the longest. The reason the vowel in the third word is longer than in the second, even though their following consonants are the same, is because the vowel in word three is a tense vowel, while the vowel in words one and two are lax (this is related to the tongue; naturally, there is much physiology involved in articulation).

[RNV]

I think it's easier to go on Google translator write Europa Barbarorum than select italian or latin (the phonetics it's almost the same).
http://translate.google.it/#it|la|Europa%20Barbarorum

[Rhomphaiaphoros]

@ Giurza and mamik_yev_konak: I want to thank both of you for the things you have provided in this thread, +rep +rep.

I think it's easier to go on Google translator write Europa Barbarorum than select italian or latin (the phonetics it's almost the same).
http://translate.google.it/#it|la|Europa%20Barbarorum

Likewise, thank you . Heh, Google Translate is usually frowned upon, and yet it could give us the answer to this problem we had.

I thought I'd present the Spanish and Finnish words "Europa" and "Eurooppa" also for comparison; notice how they aren't very different in pronunciation, even though there's the difference in spelling:

http://translate.google.com/#es|fi|Europa

There you can hear that both languages have the same /eʊ/ sound there, the one I assume being used in the Latin version of "Europa" as well.

- Rhomphaiaphoros

[Rinan]

It should consist mostly of learning to learn.


It's not 'classical' at all. It's what the Church of the Middle Ages has allowed you to be able to study today...and any formal or standard Latin of antiquity and "Classical Latin" (as I mention it) are not necessarily the same thing.

Could you elaborate on this / provide a source? Or are you sure you're not confusing it with ecclastial latin, which is church latin?

About the EU diphtong: I pronounced it as "Uh" as Europa is pronounced in Dutch. But it should actually be pronounced as "E-OOropa"?