Robertson says it's okay to divorce if spouse is mentally ill

[IronBrig4]

Daaaaaaammmmmnnnnn...

I figured this was more ethical than political in nature. You gotta love the Christian right. It's okay to divorce your spouse if they have dementia, but gays can never get married, EVER.

[Col. Tartleton]

Well gays shouldn't get married. They're gay. Let them be happy.

[Himster]

Demonstrating yet again who the bad guys are in society.

[basics]

" I figured this was more ethical than political in nature. You gotta love the Christian right. It's okay to divorce your spouse if they have dementia, but gays can never get married, EVER. "

IronBrig4,

In my opinion and according to the word of God the partner who has any illness is no different from one that has none and so what God has joined together let no man put asunder. It cannot be Christian to abandon one's spouse so the proposer of that is quite wrong.

Now as far as homosexuality is concerned, God has not put them together simply because they cannot have the same union that a man and woman are capable of. In God's eyes it is a perversion and therefore will never in judgement be called marriage. So in terms of what is and who are the church, practising homosexuals cannot be part of it, neither in ordination or principle.

[Col. Tartleton]

Do you eat pork? Clams? Did you have sex with your wife within 40 days of her giving birth?

You might be the abominable snowman.

[basics]

" Do you eat pork? Clams? Did you have sex with your wife within 40 days of her giving birth? You might be the abominable snowman. "

Col. Tartleton,

And here was me thinking that colonels were supposed to be men of substance. What is that all about?

[Col. Tartleton]

" Do you eat pork? Clams? Did you have sex with your wife within 40 days of her giving birth? You might be the abominable snowman. "

Col. Tartleton,

And here was me thinking that colonels were supposed to be men of substance. What is that all about?

No I just like fried foods.

I'm just saying there are lots of things which the bible looks disapprovingly on. If you want to outlaw homosexuals you should start by outlawing the consumption of shellfish and the slaughter of swine.

Life is about finding a healthy balance between what feels good and what feels right. If your spouse goes crazy you have an obligation to look for the best interests of the children and yourself too. Make sure they're taken care of but look after the whole. I'm not saying to lock them up and never see them again, but you can't really live with a crazy person and pretend that things are normal. Physical disabilities sure, but severe mental ails compromise who it is you love.

[boofhead]

I'm just saying there are lots of things which the bible looks disapprovingly on. If you want to outlaw homosexuals you should start by outlawing the consumption of shellfish and the slaughter of swine.

Not so. Diet restrictions in the OT are for Jewish people. Modern day Christians are gentiles and as such we are not bound by customary laws followed by the ancient Jews under the Old Covenant.

Christians are under the New Covenant, a covenant which specifically reiterates that homosexuality is an abomination; at the same time indicating that a Jew who becomes a Christian, when visiting gentile homes, can eat foods forbidden him as a Jew if it is the interests of bringing said gentiles to salvation - so diet restrictions aren't even written in stone for the Christian of Jewish origin. Also note that a gentile who becomes a Christian does not also become a Jew.

*Regarding divorce - basics is correct. It shouldn't happen for Christians. In my case I made an oath before God in our wedding vows ''until death do us part'' and that's exactly what it means, and exactly what will happen.

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

" Do you eat pork? Clams? Did you have sex with your wife within 40 days of her giving birth? You might be the abominable snowman. "

Col. Tartleton,

And here was me thinking that colonels were supposed to be men of substance. What is that all about?

By your avoidance of the question, are we to assume that you've done those things?

[basics]

" By your avoidance of the question, are we to assume that you've done those things? "

J Philp,

I didn't realise that the so-called were questions needing answered as they appeared to be quite flippant. However I do enjoy pork, and, I did not indulge with my wife until her mentstruation had finished. No, I am not an abominable snowman. Does that tick all the boxes?

[godol shmok]

There exist contradictions without doubt, that tradition oriented life-styles have to cope with in the modern world. It should not really be a problem when tradition orientated people only start to think hard enough about as the advantages should be obvious also to them when private and public activities are kept separate.

[justicar5]

" Do you eat pork? Clams? Did you have sex with your wife within 40 days of her giving birth? You might be the abominable snowman. "

Col. Tartleton,

And here was me thinking that colonels were supposed to be men of substance. What is that all about?

the same set of laws that condemn homosexuality, Jesus said nothing on the subject himself, all laws regarding it are Old Testament, so if the anti-homosexuality laws apply, so do the kill em all and rape the virgins laws.

[Hilarion]

the same set of laws that condemn homosexuality, Jesus said nothing on the subject himself, all laws regarding it are Old Testament, so if the anti-homosexuality laws apply, so do the kill em all and rape the virgins laws.

Yeah that's why Christian theologians go around killing non-believers and raping virgins.

[basics]

" the same set of laws that condemn homosexuality, Jesus said nothing on the subject himself, all laws regarding it are Old Testament, so if the anti-homosexuality laws apply, so do the kill em all and rape the virgins laws. "

justicar5,

And how do you figure that out? Jesus Christ is God so all the laws that came from heaven came via Him considering that all authority in heaven and earth were put into His hands. There was nothing that was made but that it was made by Him. We have already established that there is no such word as rape in Scripture so why do you keep insisting that there is? And yes there are laws to protect women whether virgin or not.

That said, rape did occur and did so across all the human divide and the Israelite males would be no exception in that they too were sinners just as the rest of mankind were. That is why the rules of engagement regarding females were introduced so that even the Israelites were under no illusions about their treatment of women was concerned. Jesus made that plain enough when He said that sexual union in any manner is in the eyes of God marriage.

Now regarding homosexuality it is a perversion of the above because it is not marriage and never can be. It was never intended to rank alongside the union of one man to one woman so because certain people find enjoyment and perhaps contentment in it, that does not make it right in the eyes of God because that was never His purpose when He made them man and woman. The only reason that it is practised is because fallen man was handed over to the lusts of his own heart through sin.

But, homosexuals like all other sinners can have their lives, their fallen natures changed that these desires no longer have hold over them and that by rebirth or being born again, just as murderers, rapists or any other sinners can. That is why we have the Gospel because it is the good news that life doesn't have to be as it is if Jesus Christ is your Saviour. God has given all sinners a way out, the problem is that fallen man wants his cake and eat it.

[Himster]

But, homosexuals like all other sinners can have their lives, their fallen natures changed that these desires no longer have hold over them and that by rebirth or being born again, just as murderers, rapists or any other sinners can. That is why we have the Gospel because it is the good news that life doesn't have to be as it is if Jesus Christ is your Saviour. God has given all sinners a way out, the problem is that fallen man wants his cake and eat it.

Ah, equating the "crime" of homosexuality with the crime of murder and rape. Again demnstrating who the enemies of civilisation are. The wolrd makes sense.

[justicar5]

" the same set of laws that condemn homosexuality, Jesus said nothing on the subject himself, all laws regarding it are Old Testament, so if the anti-homosexuality laws apply, so do the kill em all and rape the virgins laws. "

justicar5,

And how do you figure that out? Jesus Christ is God so all the laws that came from heaven came via Him considering that all authority in heaven and earth were put into His hands. There was nothing that was made but that it was made by Him. We have already established that there is no such word as rape in Scripture so why do you keep insisting that there is? And yes there are laws to protect women whether virgin or not.

That said, rape did occur and did so across all the human divide and the Israelite males would be no exception in that they too were sinners just as the rest of mankind were. That is why the rules of engagement regarding females were introduced so that even the Israelites were under no illusions about their treatment of women was concerned. Jesus made that plain enough when He said that sexual union in any manner is in the eyes of God marriage.

Now regarding homosexuality it is a perversion of the above because it is not marriage and never can be. It was never intended to rank alongside the union of one man to one woman so because certain people find enjoyment and perhaps contentment in it, that does not make it right in the eyes of God because that was never His purpose when He made them man and woman. The only reason that it is practised is because fallen man was handed over to the lusts of his own heart through sin.

But, homosexuals like all other sinners can have their lives, their fallen natures changed that these desires no longer have hold over them and that by rebirth or being born again, just as murderers, rapists or any other sinners can. That is why we have the Gospel because it is the good news that life doesn't have to be as it is if Jesus Christ is your Saviour. God has given all sinners a way out, the problem is that fallen man wants his cake and eat it.

Source for jesus condemning homosexuality. Jesus, in his own words.

[Ancient Aliens]

Whats wrong with divorcing a mentally ill individual? Surely staying married with a mentally derranged person is the less healthy option...

[Admiral Piett]

Whats wrong with divorcing a mentally ill individual? Surely staying married with a mentally derranged person is the less healthy option...

Think its just the irony of their statement.

[IronBrig4]

Think its just the irony of their statement.

Quite. According to Robertson and his ilk, you can't divorce if your spouse is abusive, a deadbeat, or any other host of things. But it's okay if they're suffering from a debilitating illness.

[Nietzsche]

Um... who gives two about what Pat says? One man's opinion is hardly representative of Christianity... Let's practice some better argumentation in here...