Austria

[LordMichael]

Being like most TWC peoples, I was reading up on my history today. While reading about the Austrian Monarchy, i noticed this page: http://sga.monarchisten.org/mitteleuropa.html

This had been a movement to unify the small central European countries of: Austria, Czech Slovakia, Hungary Slovenia and Croatia under the Austrian flag. Most notably the movement calls for a return of Monarchy.

The last crown prince of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire died a few months ago. He was well-renowned for not supporting the annexation of Austria by Hitler. For this he was sentenced to death by Hitler himself. Otto von Habsburg saved thousands of Austrian Jews and others who would have been killed by Hitler, so he is well liked in Europe now.

His death rekindled the movement further for the re-unification of the Habsburg Empire, or the Black-Yellow Alliance. I don't even know what this will do to the EU.

These are their selling points:
Political reform:
This is what we really monarchists:

- Finally, the referendum form of government!

With the abolition of the republic by the people:

- Monarch should order mandatory referendums may

- Non-white voters and a voice direct posting of content mandatary under non-voters by the monarch

- Emergency brake: monarch is by parliamentary 2/3-majority may be forced to abdicate, the throne then enters into force

- Removal without replacement of party and press subsidies from taxpayers' money - hundreds of millions of euros every year in times of crisis!

I'm don't live Europe, so this is only what I read, but I am Hungarian so this interests me. Is this a load of barnacles or in any way a serious movement. I myself think unifying these small nations may be a good thing for their economies and voice in government, but restitution of a single monarchy seems far fetched. I'm not sure if mentioning this alone will give me a lot of flak in the TWC community, but I wanted to hear the views of people from those places who understand it better. If the link I posted is completely ridiculous I will simply delete this thread all together.

Are there any movements in Europe like this that are serious?

[Thorn777]

So not going to happen. First this new monarchy needs to convince Austria to become a monarchy, which wont happen, then of course have rich Austria pay for relatively poor eastern-European provinces.

[LordMichael]

I understand a unification, perhaps as a scapegoat from the failing euro, but not a monarchy. But i think there monarch needs are they want a clenched fist on immigration and other things that dwindle in parliaments without any real compromise at times.

[Diamat]

Lol. As a German, I can tell you, this will never happen in our lifetimes, if ever. People won't take it, having experienced a different kind of system for so long. Just think: all your life you were told about equality and how birth-right is wrong, and suddenly these people want to re-institute the nobility and the monarch. Good luck.

[LordMichael]

As i said I don't think monarchy will happen. I simply find a unification interesting, and interesting that people would even consider monarchy.

[Thorn777]

Being in the same country isn't the same as sending some cash to Brussels each year. You talked about Checz-Republic, Hungary etc as "small countries", but their just as big as Austria population wise if not bigger. Would take astronomicanomical sums of Austrian cash to fund these states to be on par.

nvm all the countries not identifying as Austrians or Germans. Smells like a moronic undertaking for Austria.

[Aru]

There is no need for restoration of monarchy as single state. Whatever it could do, the EU already does, in terms of economic, political and cultural integration.

At best an institution similar to Commonwealth can be created, which would mostly sentimentally unite the countries with one common head of state, but in everything else they would remain separate states. But I don't see much advantage in that, except for sentimentality, and I can't imagine that majority of people of any former Habsburg country would agree to that. Not now, at least.

[Armenum]

Yeah right......practically it will never happen, I mean especially with the EU in the background imagine this happening. Most the people that advocate these type of things are people in the fringe who have hold sentimental value in the monarchies and empires decades and centuries ago. Of course I would love to have the greater Austrian Empire back with the access to the sea and so forth, but it's only in my dreams...

[LordMichael]

You never know, if the economy keeps falling downward, people may become more open minded, but for the time being, I don't see this happening. I think monarchies is a little crazy to imagine, but a unification could be interesting.

[Armenum]

though they had a great anthem

[LordMichael]

though they had a great anthem

That is an awesome anthem, I had ancestors that worked for the austro-hungarian government, so I probably should have heard that before but I haven't.
Beautiful flag and anthem, The thought of a duel monarchy is cool as well.

Well, as a new question, do you think a unification of the two countries would be a positive thing?

[Armenum]

That is an awesome anthem, I had ancestors that worked for the austro-hungarian government, so I probably should have heard that before but I haven't.
Beautiful flag and anthem, The thought of a duel monarchy is cool as well.

Well, as a new question, do you think a unification of the two countries would be a positive thing?

Well, not really since it wouldn't be politically viable. In this day and age of nation states such a political structure, especially in Europe, wouldn't really work, and I highly doubt Austrians would favour such a union...

[Condottiere 40K]

The trend is towards regionalism and devolution; if the Euro disintegrated, which I don't expect it to, there might be some attraction to an informal structure.

[Ahlerich]

it has to do with our compley globalized world with complex issues that many people are intrigued to go back to better, easier times. surely this is only a romantic view as the so called good old days were pretty much a meat grinder.