Israel and nukes

[Bwaho]

Israel breaks more UN resolutions than any other country in the world. They have not signed the non-proliferation treaty. They get their hands on nukes and no one says anything about it.

I saw a spokesperson from Iran and he made a good point about this, he said something like: "Israel shows that you are better off not signing the non-proliferation treaty, and this gives double messages to nations around the world."

watcha think?

[Valentin the II]

Here it goes....
I live in Israel, I have never herd of us having any nukes, yet the whole world knows about it .
Anyway we did not break more UN resolutions then anyone in the world (what are your sources ). And sins when aniwon listens to the most unstable and irational (after Palectine) goverment on the earth!?

[Garbarsardar]

Here it goes....
I live in Israel, I have never herd of us having any nukes, yet the whole world knows about it .
Anyway we did not break more UN resolutions then anyone in the world (what are your sources ). And sins when aniwon listens to the most unstable and irational (after Palectine) goverment on the earth!?

So why Israel is not signing the non-proliferation treaty? Is it planning to develop nukes in the future?

Nah! I'm only joking!

Of course you have nukes. If you don't know it then you are ignorant
of the existence of nukes.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14175

And I suggest you use this more cautiously in the future.
Garb.

[Sidus Preclarum]

Anyway we did not break more UN resolutions then anyone in the world

a mere 60 odd (there would have been quite e few more, but the US has vetoed them ...)

[Garbarsardar]

Here it goes....
I live in Israel, I have never herd of us having any nukes,

Ergo=Israel does not have nukes

yet the whole world knows about it .

Ergo=the whole world is deluded

And sins when aniwon listens to the most unstable and irational (after Palectine) goverment on the earth!?

Correction, only one Government is deluded

Oh come on. Evry country has sicrets.

But Israel does not have nukes. But they have secrets. Secret...."flaming pigs". Yes that's it, secret flaming pigs...

And they arest or dispach of anyone who reviels them

Reveal the pigs at your own peril.

Oh so in your nation you lern at schools about your nukes,how many you have and what is beeng diveloped? My, what a honest country you have

In zoology probably, or the Secret Weapons & Classified installatons 101

And seriously it doesnt matter if we have nukes or not,

Dang! There goes my flaming pig theory, out of the window, never to be seen again!

[Tom Paine]

When it isn't? You think the Iranian government is irrational, based on rhetoric no worse than what the American president has spouted? Or unstable, when there are no signs of revolt?

The reason the whole world knows you have nuclear weapons is thanks to a Mr Mordechai Vanunuu, who was then jailed and viliffied, and is under restrictions such that he cannot speak to the press or even leave Israel. Nice way to treat someone for speaking the truth hm?

[Valentin the II]

The reason the whole world knows you have nuclear weapons is thanks to a Mr Mordechai Vanunuu, who was then jailed and viliffied, and is under restrictions such that he cannot speak to the press or even leave Israel. Nice way to treat someone for speaking the truth hm?

Oh come on. Evry country has sicrets.
And they arest or dispach of anyone who reviels them.

Its funny how an Isreali wouldnt know his/her country would have nukes....makes me wonder just exactly they are taught over there...-Leon

Oh so in your nation you lern at schools about your nukes,how many you have and what is beeng diveloped? My, what a honest country you have .


And seriously it doesnt matter if we have nukes or not, Iran still needs them to threaten us :wink: .

[Tom Paine]

Oh come on. Evry country has sicrets.
And they arest or dispach of anyone who reviels them.

Actually we give them fair and open trials and generally pretty short sentences then after the sentence has ended do not restrict their movements. Its called the Official Secrets Act.

Oh so in your nation you lern at schools about your nukes,how many you have and what is beeng diveloped? My, what a honest country you have .

At least we all know we have nuclear weapons in the UK!

And seriously it doesnt matter if we have nukes or not, Iran still needs them to threaten us :wink: .

So you don't mind if they have them? Good to know, maybe you won't try to stop them getting them then!

[Sidus Preclarum]

Oh come on. Evry country has sicrets.
And they arest or dispach of anyone who reviels them.

How about when said secrets reveal illegal activities of a goverment ?
That's supposed to be worthy of a democracy ?

Oh so in your nation you lern at schools about your nukes,how many you have and what is beeng diveloped?

What the exact specs and numbers are, no, this is secret defense.
But that we have them, how many we have, how they are delivered, this is common knowledge.

My, what a honest country you have .

Well, not always, but in that case, we're on the right side of the law

And seriously it doesnt matter if we have nukes or not, Iran still needs them to threaten us :wink: .

it only makes all the more difficult justifying they are not supposed to have their own..

[GeneralLee]

The reason: because whenever anyone has messed with isreal bad stuff happend to them, like loosing three wars in a row and then having the peace terms dictated to you.

[Lusted]

Plus, Britain helped you to get them, there were some letters and dcuments discovered a few years ago detailing our part in hleping Israel get nukes.

[I Have a Clever Name]

The UN? Since when did anybody care about that particular institution?

[Hub'ite]

:sign_stup
I think Israel has earned the right to have nukes.

[Erik]

:sign_stup
I think Israel has earned the right to have nukes.

Israel can defend itself without nukes.

If anybody has deserves the right to have Nukes it's Iran:
-First the Brits invaded and murdred their population with WMD's (thanks to Churchill, who had strong racist views against the "Persians")
-Then America killed their young democracy to install a brutal tyrant.
-Then Saddam attacked them with help from the US, using WMD's against their allies.
-Now both the US and it's baby-brother UK are planning to attack them AGAIN, and they are already in Iraq!
And all this within 100 years.

Iran NEEDS nukes to defend itself.

[LiciniusII]

Israel can defend itself without nukes.

If anybody has deserves the right to have Nukes it's Iran:
-First the Brits invaded and murdred their population with WMD's (thanks to Churchill, who had strong racist views against the "Persians")
-Then America killed their young democracy to install a brutal tyrant.
-Then Saddam attacked them with help from the US, using WMD's against their allies.
-Now both the US and it's baby-brother UK are planning to attack them AGAIN, and they are already in Iraq!
And all this within 100 years.

Iran NEEDS nukes to defend itself.

Oh really now? Lets see here... Israel.. only democratic country in the middle east, the only country in the middle east that doesn't treat women like property and second class citizens, the only country in the middle east that isn't religiously fanatic calling for other countries to be "wiped off the face of the earth" (ring any bells? Iran HELLO)

If anybody, Israel deserves the right to own nuclear arsenal... Considering EVERY WAR it fought was a war of DEFENSE against an agressor enemy.

Israel's nuclear weapons sends a message to its Arab neighbors that call for its destruction that if they try anything funny, they will regret it.. and in fact it is what is preventing wars today (with the exception of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... though there never were a palestinian people until that phrase was coined in the 60's... up until then, they were Egyptians and Jordanians)

[Erik]

Oh really now? Lets see here... Israel.. only democratic country in the middle east, the only country in the middle east that doesn't treat women like property and second class citizens, the only country in the middle east that isn't religiously fanatic calling for other countries to be "wiped off the face of the earth" (ring any bells? Iran HELLO)

Iran was democratic too....until the US killed their democracy.
If Iran can't even defend themselves how can they ever become a stable democracy?
Won't the US just attack them the day they give democracy a second try?

If anybody, Israel deserves the right to own nuclear arsenal... Considering EVERY WAR it fought was a war of DEFENSE against an agressor enemy.

Huh?
Every war Israel has fought was go gain terretory and to kick Arabs out of their homes.

Iran is the one who has only tried to defend itself from British imperialists and the democracy-hating Americans.
And obviously Iran has failed to protect their democracy from the US before, so they need the extra protection.

Israel's nuclear weapons sends a message to its Arab neighbors that call for its destruction that if they try anything funny, they will regret it.. and in fact it is what is preventing wars today (with the exception of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... though there never were a palestinian people until that phrase was coined in the 60's... up until then, they were Egyptians and Jordanians)

Is that why Israel tried to keep them a secret?
Every arab knows they can't destroy Israel because big brother USA protects them, little brother Israel doesn't need their own nukes.

And read some history: Palestinians have been called that for thousands of years.
But I don't see how that would matter because EASTERN EUROPEANS (=90% of the Israeli jews) have no right to claim land from Egyptians, Jordanians or Palestinians.

[Mr.Flint]

Iran was democratic too....until the US killed their democracy.
If Iran can't even defend themselves how can they ever become a stable democracy?
Won't the US just attack them the day they give democracy a second try?

Iranian "democracy" was of questionable value and hardly better than the Shah.

Huh?
Every war Israel has fought was go gain terretory and to kick Arabs out of their homes.

Iran is the one who has only tried to defend itself from British imperialists and the democracy-hating Americans.
And obviously Iran has failed to protect their democracy from the US before, so they need the extra protection.

You know your attempts to rewrite history are not even funny.
I give you an F in history.

Is that why Israel tried to keep them a secret?
Every arab knows they can't destroy Israel because big brother USA protects them, little brother Israel doesn't need their own nukes.

Thats what theyve been told by their goverments... its hard to swallow that the all powerful Arab armies lost to the little puny Israel, It must be the US

And read some history: Palestinians have been called that for thousands of years.
But I don't see how that would matter because EASTERN EUROPEANS (=90% of the Israeli jews) have no right to claim land from Egyptians, Jordanians or Palestinians.

Wrong. the term Palestinian is not even a hundred years old.
btw tell that to Jews expelled from arab countries, almost one million of them, by now it should be atleast double of that.

Any more historical insights from Professor Erik?

[Valentin the II]

And read some history: Palestinians have been called that for thousands of years.
But I don't see how that would matter because EASTERN EUROPEANS (=90% of the Israeli jews) have no right to claim land from Egyptians, Jordanians or Palestinians.

!: Problem is that most of them are not the original palectinians but some randome arabs that moved in to takes Israels lands after they "drive the jews into the sea".

!: Now this is ********* stuped!
Ferst of all more then 60% of our citisens came from the middle east (and africa), mostly from: Persia, Maroco, Tunise and Teiman.
Second: We had evry right to claim their lands.
They atacked us, we kicked their tablelamps, we dictated to them our terms and they agreed.
In war the defeated has no rights (aspecialy if he started the damn war).

If you meant hostile nations, that is not true for Israel. Only for Iran.

If Im not mistaken (probably more then) half of the world still hates us.
And if Iran will get the nukes we will have a hostile nation within close striking distance.

Please don't aviod the censor. Thank you - imb39

[I Have a Clever Name]

I think Israel has earned the right to have nukes.

Surrounded on all sides by overtly hostile neighbours, they're more deserving than most.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Though, the question is, is anyone deserving enough to have them?