Battlefield 3 TWC clan!

[Ataegina]

edit: its working now, i've been out for hours so i only could fix the issue now

[Kanaric]

I'm going to be ordering, likely, two servers. I want to know what game modes you all want to play. These will be in the US probably close to central. The reason for this is so Pacific people can play. I live in Las Vegas and new york servers might as well be in europe.

There need to be a separate EU group, i agree. I have had europeons play on central servers before and they can play and if the server is good they get like around 150 ping.

Also have a ventrilo server which I will post the connection info to once we upgrade the slots which should be tomorrow. This server is used by people I know IRL or have played games with in the past.

[Diglytron]

Rush and Conquest i gues. Tough im dutch so that the servers will be so far away . Looking forward to bf3, just a few days left.

[Poach]

The Arma II TWC Clan is also going to branch out on to BF3. Perhaps we can join in on this clan, or cooperate with it, whatever.

[Manco]

Just in an attempt to get this organised:

First of all, this is NOT an official TWC clan!

I suggest we treat it as more of an overarching community, open to practically everyone who posts semi-regularly on TWC (plus maybe some friends). That community is basically this, the general BF3 thread, whatever options the Battlelog give and if we have the activity, ultimately a sub-forum (for a sec I thought of changing the Arma forum into a general military FPS forum, but I think that's a bad idea and rather callous towards the Platoon).

Within that larger community, I suggest two "divisions", one Europe, one North America (ofc Ozzies join NA, and Turks EU, blabla). A "unified" clan will be nearly impossible due to different hours and lousy connections, which of course doesn't mean that those with good connections can't do whatever they please.
Each division would need a way to communicate, either Ventrilo or built in VOIP; access to a server, pings will probably be too high for a "unified" server and if we have both the will and manpower, each could try and field an actual clan.

I've seen several efforts like this go to waste due to different reasons, but the main one is usually manpower. One simple thing to attract some attention is a simple sig (just look at WoT's and the Platoon's). So I suggest getting some of the 2d artists of the Artist's Studio cracking.

We'll also need some "leadership", those quotation marks are there on purpose by the way

[Kanaric]

Were probably going to order a TDM server first, 64 player conquest costs $100 if we can get the TDM to be shown as active then i'll order a conquest.

Last time I ordered a large server nobody played

[Diglytron]

Co operate would be great in my opinion, you guys already got some experience i gues. Also Poach, why Battlefield3 Arma wassnt good enough or ?

Can we get an subforum for battlefield than?

Hmm. Yes there is a little bit an great count of servers. I heard of 3 persons on twc now that they would hire a server, quite unnessencary in my opinion 1 should fit fine. But thats your buisnes its your server after all.

Tough the European server problem still stays, i know some Dutch servers where we can play on but i dont think these would fit completly cause evryone talks Dutch there and for other people from Scandanavia or France whatever is that quite anoying....

At least i want to play a little organised in the squad. There is already made a platoon of an twc group (twc platoon) Ataegina made it he also will host an server. Dont know on witch ip yet.

[Poach]

Co operate would be great in my opinion, you guys already got some experience i gues. Also Poach, why Battlefield3 Arma wassnt good enough or ?

Activity isn't that great these days, many people have moved off Arma 2 and on to BF3. While we don't intend on abandoning Arma 2 and reforming into a BF3 clan, we do intend to stay together as a group on BF3.

Can we get an subforum for battlefield than?

That's a proposal for Hex, it's above my authority.

To whomever mentioned pings: We play as a unified group on Arma with few problems, and I still play BF2142 and don't experience ping problems even on US servers. My internet connection is, however, fairly strong, so I don't know if it's just me.

[Ataegina]

Last time I ordered a large server nobody played

i understand you, i've been there (bad company 2 server)

Its a bit sad that Dice decided to shutdown battlelog when our group was starting to forming but this wont be possible to be unified clan when members are splited (americans/europeans). i myself is for me impossible to play in an american server due my location. but in beta servers located in germany or even france worked fine for me

[I WUB PUGS]

We are not completely going a way from ArmA, but many of our players are purchasing BF3 and to maintain the integrity of the Happy Fun Time Platoon, it is best to play other games together. Of course if the BF3 crowd wants more of a challenge you could always play ArmA II with us, or wait until ArmA III leaves all shooters in the dust come summer time.

[TestudoAubreii]

I'm down!

Testudo

[Diglytron]

ok i heard some good ideas of Manco here tough i find it for sure we should not split up it in a European and American group.

Is this sure:

1. server of Ataegina (is it going to be a 64 qonquest server or an rush server, in my opinion Qonquest would be the best but only ive we have enough players, rush can also be quite fun.)
2. Almost 20 members already said they want to join, this is by far not enough to form a proper 64 player conquest server where there are at least 40 players every day online... And ive we split it in an European and American group we can forget it anyways.

Ok some questions we need to ask ourselfs:

1. What you want to reach when playing in an platoon with members of TWC?
2. You are sure you going to play in the server of Ataegina? Ive not, than he has to count on this would be a shame ive he pays a server for nothing.(i already said that we have to contribute as team ive we got a bigger comunity, we cant let 1 person pays for our fun, just my opinion tough)..

Poach, how many members witch play Arma 2 recently you think going to join? would be good to know to make an team..

and Ataegina or Vinlandking, whats the IP of your server and when its up? Good to know so we can directly join on his server after bf3 releases, btw Ataegina gues your server is going up at 27 cause thats the european release date?

[Manco]

ok i heard some good ideas of Manco here tough i find it for sure we should not split up it in a European and American group.

So basically you don't care about people having a bad ping...

[Ataegina]

well first i only will have access to bf3 28th, origin first e-mailed saying was 27th then later said was a mistake and now is 28th -__- its a mess.

to get server it will be european based, wich bring a few things to think.

this for just one player can be a bit expensive to keep monthly, but divided by a few can became cheap for everyone to have a nice and friendly server. besides the costs theres also avaliability to admin since none can keep an eye alone 24-7 to keep hackers/cheaters out and mediate conflicts among players.

how many are REALLY going to join, is another question. if this is like bc2 this will require a minimum of players to really work (if i'm not wrong 4-6) to unlock score and stuff.

to clear things up, i had a bad company 2 server wich was a waste of time and money since none joined, so i dont yet have bf3 because i dont want make the same mistake, but if theres truly interest then bf3 server will up and running as soon everything here is cleared up.

[Poach]

See the thread I linked for the numbers of Arma players you're looking at. Looking at 10+ though.

In addition, for the servers, the normal way a Clan server works is thus:

-Open to Public
-Clan members have join priority (meaning if the server is full it will kick non-listed players to make room for listed ones).
-Clan members have ability to team switch (ie, from BLUFOR to OPFOR and vice versa, I don't know the BF3 factions) while public players are auto-assigned and auto-balanced.
-Server is closed to the public for clan matches, training days, events etc.

What this will allow:

-Constant activity on the server by allowing public access to bring up the numbers.
-Ability for the clan to play as a team (via join priority and faction priority) without having near-empty factions.
-Ability to close the server to Clan-only when necessary.

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I'm unsure if you need mods or something to make a server run that way, as I've never ran a Server. I just know a lot of Clan servers are public but with priorities given to the Clan members, and will occasionally close and auto-kick all non-Clan members for whatever purposes.

[Diglytron]

Manco during the beta i played mostly on USA servers ive got normal ping, you live in Belgium or Holland?? Cause i gues the ping of us will be the same..

Poach yes i also thaught in that way tough i think there are to many servers for to less players. The server needs admins to stop cheating and hacking etc. Im sure there will be hacking around bf3 just like any other game. I got experience in moderating an server, i moderated like 5 years an Counterstrike 1.6 server and with a few easy comands evryone can moderate.

Ataegina would be host ofcourse and admin. Would be good to know his view of all this.

[Poach]

Manco during the beta i played mostly on USA servers ive got normal ping, you live in Belgium or Holland?? Cause i gues the ping of us will be the same..

Poach yes i also thaught in that way tough i think there are to many servers for to less players.

Not entirely sure what you mean with that, sorry. Can you clarify?

Do you mean there will be way too many BF3 servers in total and, as a result, ours will never be busy? Or do you mean we have several offers for TWC servers and, as such, we need to narrow it down to only one?

The server needs admins to stop cheating and hacking etc. Im sure there will be hacking around bf3 just like any other game. I got experience in moderating an server, i moderated like 5 years an Counterstrike 1.6 server and with a few easy comands evryone can moderate.

Ataegina would be host ofcourse and admin. Would be good to know his view of all this.

Modern games have good anti-hacking software built in, and if they don't server-side mods are usually fast to plug the gap. We'll need admins on at peak times, yes, but as long as we have a few Clan Officers that have kick/ban powers that are active we'll have coverage for the majority of the peak period.

We don't need to worry ourselves too much about hackers. It's not a massive problem and is easily managed.

[Manco]

I'm sorry, Digly, but I'm not going to take your word on the US server thing, because a) we've had several others already saying they had a bad ping in a transatlantic server ( and personally I think everything above a 100 is unplayable), b) you don't even seem to know what a host is. (hint: this isn't p2p, there is no host as such) and c) well, you're not exactly known for being reliable.

Furthermore if we indeed do rent a server, then Ataegina is not "the boss" (no offence to you, Ataegina, your efforts for the BC2 server were appreciated and you likely will be (one of) the leader(s) if we proceed with this), everyone who pays will be an equal admin.

[Kanaric]

we should make a tally of how many are US and how many are EU. I don't see anyone from EU and US playing against each other all the time, the lag would be ridiculous for some.

BTW my RL friend and I have already ordered a tdm server but i'm not against going for a pool for a conquest server so long as its US. Already have paypal accounts set up for the TDM for me and him. The way I feel about that is we want to get a community established first then when there are regs get a larger server. Its hard to populate a 64 server. However if we pool for a large server between members here I could easily see a 64 server being always populated because everyone has money invested in it.

I have no problem ordering the server and taking the risk of losing money if I have enough people say they will help with the cost. $100 a month is a bit much (for now). I just want to make sure they are US people so they don't get mad about the lag then decide they don't want to do this anymore. I live in Nevada and a EU server would have like 250 ping or more lol.

[Ataegina]

Furthermore if we indeed do rent a server, then Ataegina is not "the boss" (no offence to you, Ataegina, your efforts for the BC2 server were appreciated and you likely will be (one of) the leader(s) if we proceed with this), everyone who pays will be an equal admin.

offense not taken

i never said i was or i will be the boss, i just made a offer but everyone who pays will be an admin (this was obvious).

i wouldnt say above 100 is unplayable, but i would put the limit on 200. i've fairly good connection and my best ping in US server is around 210, now imagine 20-30 or more players from EU playing on a american server with +200 ping, the game would be unplayable.

sorry but BF3 will need 1 server for each US/EU