Horde mod?

[ahmed5]

Hello,

Using mods, when conquering the last settlement of a horde faction, how can i prevent them from springing up hordes? I find it really annoying when i've finally taken their last town and suddenly 5 huge armies pop out and take it back.

Thanks

EDIT: Also, how could i make a faction, i.e alemani capable of being a horde?

[GiantMonkeyMan]

here you go... it's a tutorial that might help: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=54896

[ahmed5]

thax but what about my first question? any ideas?

[Lusted]

Well it should really be the steps of the tutorial to make a faction horde in reverse.

[ahmed5]

that would stop them from being a horde faction, what i want to do is prevent hordes from springing up when you conquer their last settlement. for example, i sacked the roxolani's village and then a horde came out.

[makanyane]

Factors that effect how large a horde is when it is generated either by spawn_on_revolt, emerging or loss of last city are set in descr_sm_factions.txt

Have been experimenting with this but haven't tested very fully so you either need to test yourself or could someone else confirm please???

For factions who start on map as a horde i.e. like vandals in BI with horde armies but no city you could try

horde_min_units 10
horde_max_units 10
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 1
horde_unit_per_settlement_population 100
horde_min_named_characters 4

That should mean that once their existing armies have occupied cities, when they then lose their last city they only generate a puny army.

For hording factions that either emerge, are spawned by revolt or like the Roxolani start with one small city (which you want to generate a large horde the first time) try:

horde_min_units 200
horde_max_units 200
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 190
horde_unit_per_settlement_population 1
horde_min_named_characters 6

or similar, that should give you a mega horde the first time they emerge, but kill them off when the last city is taken the next time. Relevant bit is the horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde, this needs to be high but not equal to min/max units otherwise the horde seems to lose the ability to sack. (Also with the above settings if the horde occupies a city then uses the abandon settlement to leave it, they also lose the ability to sack !? - don't think this should affect AI as I've never seen it opt to abandon a city)

There seems to be lots of odd interactions between these figures, does anyone understand in more detail?

EDIT: Just realised using the last section would make the horde too easy to kill as it would exterminate them if you manage to take their first city when they start to settle, oops!

[ahmed5]

Thankyou for that but it hasn't solved my prob. I'm currently playing WRE and the franks have one city, i captured it with a small army and 3 huge hordes have appeared, i could reduce it to a small horde but that would make the franks a lot crapper when playing them. Is there another solution???

[GiantMonkeyMan]

completely get rid of their horde ability so they can't horde
or in game kill every one of their family members outside their cities so they can't horde... there isn't much more to suggest apart from put up with it...

GMM