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    Default Way to have fun with the mongols.

    I found it a good sport to cheat and get an assassin to Altair levels, then have him assassinate mongol khan after khan after khan until I'm worried the computer might crash, because there's 35 silver chevron mongol full stacks and all of Europe is preparing its last meal.

    Then my brave venetian doge gets a cannon-tower citadel, loads it up to the gunwales with gold chevron, bronze attack bronze defense VHI, and defeats wave after wave after wave.


    It's better if you get the pope to hate the mongols (give the papal states a settlement right in their way), and get good favor with the pope so you call a crusade, resulting in epic battle in Eastern Europe.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    An army of one general and 19 units of your best 2-hander infantry can defeat multiple Mongol armies in a siege. I cheated once to put up cannon towers and 20 units of top of the line zweihanders in Antioch. The zweihanders bottlenecked the gate that all 8 armies decided to march through. Their generals died VERY easily. Cannon towers didn't do that match, probably killed less than 10% of all enemies. I only had enough men to form about one or two units at the end, though. I say skip assassinations since they will most likely fail, and killing them in battle just feels SO much more satisfying when their army starts routing. And how do you get the cheat screen to produce Venetian heavy infantry? I have only figured out how to spawn units with one-word names.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    Fight them in the Field!

    why bother with all these cheats, when all you need do is place Stakes infront of the gates !

    fighting them in the field, you need to make a good cohesive and properly led army ... It's a challenge, but fighiting and winning - maybe even killing their Kahn, is far more satisfying.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrestigeX View Post
    Fight them in the Field!

    why bother with all these cheats, when all you need do is place Stakes infront of the gates !

    fighting them in the field, you need to make a good cohesive and properly led army ... It's a challenge, but fighiting and winning - maybe even killing their Kahn, is far more satisfying.
    I think that was my second campaign ever that I did that cheating. I really just wanted to see if I could beat them or inflict tons of casualties. Back then I didn't even know about the Timurids...

    2 problems with stakes: infantry go through and not every faction has a unit with that ability. And that really stinks. It sure is fun to put yourself in a corner on the map protected by stakes, though.

    A good field army I have found to kill a bunch of Mongols is to get 5 units of DFK, 5 units of Armoured Sergeants or whatever is your best spearmen, a general, and some cannons and serpentines while attacking them on a bridge. Once your guns run out of ammo, you soldiers just charge in and wipe them out. Good idea to use serpentines to kill their generals and artillery first.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrestigeX View Post
    why bother with all these cheats, when all you need do is place Stakes infront of the gates !
    tied that once. bloody bastards knocked down the wall right next to the gate-house and avoided the stakes altogether

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    Mongol reinforcements don't show up if you don't assassinate the khan I thought.

    What's even better is 40 mongol stacks, pay them large amounts of money for alliance, then when the Timurids show up, pit them against eachother. Enjoy fireworks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender Wiggin View Post
    Mongol reinforcements don't show up if you don't assassinate the khan I thought.

    What's even better is 40 mongol stacks, pay them large amounts of money for alliance, then when the Timurids show up, pit them against eachother. Enjoy fireworks.
    If you assassinate the Khan, the first is a crappy general by the way because he only has like the FL trait, the title of Khan goes to another general, making that general even more powerful. Good luck assassinating that one! And reinforcements will still show up.

    Don't expect to see 40 Mongol stacks in just plain old vanilla. And some people do let the Mongols and Timurids duke it out without forging an alliance. You just let them set up shop in the Middle East and hope they don't come your way.

    And why are you so afraid of the Timurids? You are acting like they have war elephants with gunpowder weapons on their backs or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutonic Warlord View Post
    And why are you so afraid of the Timurids? You are acting like they have war elephants with gunpowder weapons on their backs or something.
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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    The Mongols and Timurids are scripted to come in waves. Even if you annihilate the first wave on the first turn they arrive in, the other waves will still enter the campaign map at their allotted times.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    I just assassinate all of the Mongol generals and let whatever poor faction they were ravaging at the time clean up the mess of rebel stacks.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    You're forgetting, Teutonic (great name BTW. I love the Teutonic Knights), that he's at Altair levels. Max subterfuge, and a bunch of ancillaries beyond that.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender Wiggin View Post
    You're forgetting, Teutonic (great name BTW. I love the Teutonic Knights), that he's at Altair levels. Max subterfuge, and a bunch of ancillaries beyond that.
    Actually, I tried using that way to create a super assassin. Honestly, your odds still aren't going to be very good with any Mongol general besides the crappy starting Khan. Their high stats work against the assassin's high stat level. A decent assassin can pretty easily take out the Pope because at first he lacks any real traits so he has terrible command and authority, the traits looked at for the possibility of a successful attempt. The Mongol generals have full or nearly full command. And as far as I know, extra stuff to increase stats when stats are maxed at 10 usually do nothing. Besides that, sometimes the game just gets stubborn and won't let you succeed in an assassination no matter how many times you reload a previous save and how good the chances are. Been there, and wanted to do this:. I also find it SO much more fun and satisfying to kill the general in the first few minutes of a battle with a ballista or serpentine.

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    Wasn't there this dirty trick, gifting the Mongols a province in your mainland on the round they appear and retake said province in the same round, completely destroying the faction? I think I have read something like this.

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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    No, it just says "People in flight", in which case generally if they start in Russia they zip down to the Middle East, and if they started in the Mid East they go to russia.

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    Altair must be busy assassinating all those Khans, obviously he was using the piece of eden!


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    Meh mongols are cake in field or castle .

    Im currently holding a single city as britain against 17 mongol stacks i took the city with my best army left it there and sailed home.
    Ive broken 5 armies so far with less then 300 casulties on vh/vh.
    Massed longbows plus armoed eargents behind the gate's .
    Enemy towers burn there ladder carriers look like pin cushions i let them in the gate's and block the streets on all sides so they rush into a trap get hemmed in and my longbows pore fire into them from above.
    Total slaughter .
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    Default Re: Way to have fun with the mongols.

    The Mongols can be very dangerous if they attack a city 3 times in a turn and have Trebuchets. The stakes won't help much with the big nasty holes in your walls will they? I once fought off 3 such armies in one turn and the problem was that even with my very superior Scottish noble and highland pikemen (gold chevrons and upgraded) the Mongols kept being able to sneak a few men and wander around to the town center and after each wave my units got smaller and it was harder to close the gaps. It seems best to just let the gates open and get them to foolishly rush in and get oiled and stuck on pikes, because then they won't swam over your walls but concentrate on entering the gate of death. To stop the mongols from such assaults I will just take an army of cavalry and banzai their trebuchets in field battles or the Timurid huge cannons. Their rockets never ever seem to be able to penetrate a huge wall. Only one of their armies ever seems to build towers and rams and ladders and if there are 2 or more the others just walk around to the front assault area; and while they do that you can shoot a lot of them if you have men along or on the walls.

    I think that the Mongol's greatest weakness is their very aggressive/arrogant attacks in the field and upon settlements. Their generals always seem to charge straight for your general in field battles and you can lead them into traps very easily. Attacking settlements the generals normally are about the 3rd unit to charge into the gate and all of their 10 stars and double hit points do little to stop them being boiled while skewered by pikemen (or other very good spearmen).

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