Fresh vs. Warmed Up

[Cesarz]

So, one question I've wanted the answer to since I first started playing Rome oh so long ago:

What is the difference if a unit is at fresh fatigue level and warmed up?

[Primo]

No difference. If a unit gets tired, first difference is notable - less movement speed and penaltys on moral and attack. Double so if the Unit is exhausted.

[Spiderbong]

No difference. If a unit gets tired, first difference is notable - less movement speed and penaltys on moral and attack. Double so if the Unit is exhausted.

Actually fatigue only affects morale and movement speed. Its been tested about 6 years ago using units with attack of 1.

[Primo]

Actually fatigue only affects morale and movement speed. Its been tested about 6 years ago using units with attack of 1.

Exactly - A unit can´t have 0 attack. You have to test it with another unit, where this hardcoded limit doesn´t count.

[dude21862004]

Fresh and warmed up are about the same, it's when they start getting winded and tired that there are penalties. Once they get exhausted is when they start to break.

[dacder]

-1 morale and movement speed I believe.
I dont think any melee stats are affected

[Spiderbong]

thats total bs and you know it

Fatigue: Fatigue is a major factor in battles. Fatigue doesn’t really begin to show its effects until a unit hits “Tired” as they start to move much more slowly and their morale is lowered. Very tired has a large effect on morale and exhausted, a huge one. Exhausted units rout much faster and move very slowly.
Thats been known like forever. You seem to be making up "facts" as you go along here

[Primo]

Oh? Then please proof me that. I would be more than happy to hear it.

[Spiderbong]

I don't need to: any modder worth his salt here knows it otherwise slowing down combat by reducing lethality would never work

[Primo]

It doesn´t reduce lethality and no need for personal insults. But since you can´t backup your claim with a proof, I simply assume there is none.

[Spiderbong]

what personal insults? you made a statement which i called bs on?

[Primo]

Nope, you implied I am no modder worth his salt. See, proof it or not. If not your statement is not true.

[Spiderbong]

Just like i have to prove in the other thread where you stated some other "facts". No you are simply confusing RTW with MTW which had those penalties.

[Primo]

That you aren´t able to come up with a proof strongly indicates you are just saying it to be that way. Also, I never played MTW.

[Randompigeon]

Nightmare moon is right my experience is that the unit has breaks easier, losing a bit of moral each lvl of tiredness. I personally haven't seen the difference till the unit is tired but I'm pretty sure it's there. You could test it:
Use Britons vs Gaul have 1 warband each and have 1 fresh and 1 warmed up and race them, the fresh one will win because it's fresh will take longer to become tired.

[tudor93]

Use Britons vs Gaul have 1 warband each and have 1 fresh and 1 warmed up and race them, the fresh one will win because it's fresh will take longer to become tired.

well ... no offense but this was obvious for all of us, wasn't it ?

[Primo]

well ... no offense but this was obvious for all of us, wasn't it ?

Hej he gave me right!

Seriously, you can test it by figthing repeatedly a battle warband 1 weapon level tired against normal one. If the tired one wins, there is no attack penalty, if he doesn´t there is.

[dude21862004]

Well, where's your proof Nightmare?

[Primo]

Well, where's your proof Nightmare?

Good question. That:

Seriously, you can test it by figthing repeatedly a battle warband 1 weapon level tired against normal one.

You will notice something: At the start the tired warband seems to loose the battle, loosing more men then the other and dropping seriously down in moral. If the other warband gets tired, too, the battle seemingly turns. Then the better armed warband wins.

Test it a few times, as chance is always a factor. But you see, the moment a unit gets tired it is less effective, which hints strongly to the fact that it gives an attack penalty.

[Hopit]

can't take someone seriously who has a pony/unicorn/pegasus avatar/sig, you just can't