Vassalage and win conditions

**Avega** · September 06, 2011, 02:57 PM

Win conditions for Grand Duchy of Kiev includes destroying of Byzantium, but i don't want do it with my orthodox brothers and best allies

What if i will make it became my vassal? Can I win in this case?
P.S. Sorry for my bad English

**Caesar Clivus** · September 06, 2011, 04:33 PM

No I think you have to destroy them but I'm not 100% certain on that.

**Duck of Death** · September 06, 2011, 05:39 PM

Yea pretty sure destruction is neccesary.
I tried this in a Scottish campaign with England as my vassal and could not get victory conditions without wipping them out.

**MedievalDragoon** · September 06, 2011, 08:13 PM

I recommend the simpler victory conditions mod. by bane.

**Avega** · September 07, 2011, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by MedievalDragoon

I recommend the simpler victory conditions mod. by bane.

Is this mod save compatible?

Anyway please give me a link.

**Liandro** · September 06, 2011, 09:03 PM

Yeah as a minority religion I hate destroying others of my kind be it Muslim or Orthodox, however I love using them because I don't have to deal with the Pope, or well I deal with him, just that once he's dealt with that's all there is to him...

**Pyres Δt Varanasi** · September 06, 2011, 09:16 PM

Your king must take the hard decision of attacking your allies there can be Only one ruler of the world

**Hercules18** · September 06, 2011, 10:01 PM

How do you make someone become your vassale? Like conditions?

**Caesar Clivus** · September 07, 2011, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules18

How do you make someone become your vassale? Like conditions?

You usually have to beat them down to one or two regions and then make a good offer to them.

**Hercules18** · September 07, 2011, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus

You usually have to beat them down to one or two regions and then make a good offer to them.

what are the advantages of vassalage compared to just wiping them out? Can they betray you after swearing vassalage?

**ihranator** · September 07, 2011, 02:59 AM

Actually, you "only" need to outlast them. You could bribe everyone to attack them, then when they are no more, reclaim those lands.

**bɑne** · September 07, 2011, 03:36 PM

Yes

**Serbian Hussar** · September 07, 2011, 04:21 PM

A little digresion here.. Does anybody know if it's posible to make a faction vassal from the start, with some text editing? I know there is "at war with" command, but is there a "vassal" command?

**Dunedain Ranger** · September 07, 2011, 04:48 PM

AFAIK there is really an option for vassals from the start but it doesnt work. I read it somewhere in this forum. Experts might know more.
Maybe its possible to script it after turn 1...

**Caesar Clivus** · September 07, 2011, 06:33 PM

There is an option to have vassals from the start but it doesn't work.

**Hercules18** · September 07, 2011, 09:34 PM

What are benefits of having a faction your vassal??? Would it be better just to take all there cities?

**ihranator** · September 08, 2011, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules18

What are benefits of having a faction your vassal??? Would it be better just to take all there cities?

Like Clivus said, you get a chunk of money from them. But AI factions get money bonuses from time to time, so a one-city vassal might grant you 50k florins out of the blue.

**Caesar Clivus** · September 07, 2011, 09:37 PM

You get a chunk of money from them each turn.

**Hercules18** · September 07, 2011, 10:26 PM

Can you command them to attack a faction? Sounds like there just mercenaries then that own a castle lol I would rather destroy them and get all the incomes and not just a chunk of it