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    Default Making Spear Warband use short pike

    No matter which mod I'm playing, I always make German Spear Warband have short_pike instead of the Macedonian style pike. It just seems much more 'barbarian' like, they become less disciplined but more mobile, keeping that shock style of warfare, and I assume it's more historically accurate.

    Anybody agree with me?
    Last edited by ahmed5; September 05, 2011 at 07:44 AM.
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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband becoming short pike

    No. The Sweboz tribe under whichever chief faced Caesar fielded professional pikemen.

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    Meh, fair enough, but I still prefer it when playing as the Germans.
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    Although I've never made that change, I would agree that it seems more in place for the Germans to have a short pike rather than a sarissa like one. I've never quite understood why the Germans have a phalanx unit in the first place, but I always assumed CA had a reason.

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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband becoming short pike

    Yes they did. Caesar's "the Gallic war".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocroach the great View Post
    Yes they did. Caesar's "the Gallic war".
    The OP wants to know if the change should be made out of gameplay reasons.

    At the OP: Yes, I too prefer it that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare Moon View Post
    The OP wants to know if the change should be made out of gameplay reasons.

    At the OP: Yes, I too prefer it that way
    yes, exactly. i only assumed it was more historical, as i said above. i like to play the barbarian factions as fast aggressive units who pack a punch, the long pike formation hinders that.
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    The German 'phalanx' written of by Caesar is described to be more resembling of a testudo formation than the Macedonian phalanx.

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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    Tell that to the EB team. I trust they have done more research than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocroach the great View Post
    Tell that to the EB team. I trust they have done more research than you.
    Kinda funny, how everything you post is about bashing another ones opinion. You seriously need to grow up man - This attitude will get you nowhere.

    @ahmed5: How exactly changes the behavior of the spear warband?
    Last edited by Primo; September 05, 2011 at 03:03 PM.

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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    Rather than just bashing things that other people say, you might offer a more respectable opinion. Your current behavior really betrays your age. I was not nay-saying the historical research of any game or mod developers, merely stating that Julius Caesar's commentaries suggest only that although there was a German force of trained pikemen, these did not act or at least as I read, even appear similar to a Macedonian phalanx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare Moon View Post
    Kinda funny, how everything you post is about bashing another ones opinion. You seriously need to grow up man - This attitude will get you nowhere.
    Well, as long as I am right I don't care.

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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocroach the great View Post
    Well, as long as I am right I don't care.
    Then you must care all the time. Must be why you throw such hissy fits all the time. Any idea how many people repped me for my absolute destruction of you on that "worst military" thread? I think there's a general consensus about your attitude towards other people on here.

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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheJim View Post
    Then you must care all the time. Must be why you throw such hissy fits all the time. Any idea how many people repped me for my absolute destruction of you on that "worst military" thread? I think there's a general consensus about your attitude towards other people on here.
    Absolute destruction? I'd like to see how that was it. You never adressed any of my points, you chose to attack me instead. Hardly "destruction". Wishful thinking.

    And again, instead of posting anything relevant to the topic, you bash me. How intelligent.

    @Nightmare Moon I meant he wasn't contributing to the discussion. Again, your historian posted pictures of 10th century BC Assyrian troops as "Persian guards" in the roster of Media Atropatene. If you want to keep thay level of research, go on.
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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed5 View Post
    I love how I explicitly mentioned I didn't care too much about the historical accuracy, and that it was just trivial if it was true or not, and now I still get an argument on my thread because of a historical discussion.
    You are so right. But well, as long as cocroach thinks he is right he:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocroach the great View Post
    Well, as long as I am right I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare Moon View Post
    @ahmed5: How exactly changes the behavior of the spear warband?
    they stop standing in static square formations for the phalanx. they can charge into enemies and there's a lot of unit cohesion. Roman legions can now cut them up when they get in close. If they get flanked they don't completely crumble because they can't draw their swords anymore. (If you keep their sword as a sec weapon, it kind of defeats the purpose of it.)
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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    cocroach reminds me of Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory
    gotta love Sheldon ...
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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    Cocroach manages to go to a modding team, accuse the historian to be a charlatan, and if a working member of the team complains about it, he says:
    At least I am contributing, unlike you
    Yeah, thats Cocroach. Don“t we all love him?

    But we should really get back on topic: Ahmed5, do you assign them Phalanx formation or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare Moon View Post

    But we should really get back on topic: Ahmed5, do you assign them Phalanx formation or not?
    In the unit file Phalanx formation is still there, but the AI knows it can take it off if it wants to charge you. I personally leave phalanx off in battle but the option's there. i haven't tested if it makes much difference; i'd assume it would result in less cohesion, and the spears pushing the enemy unit at bay more.

    I love how I explicitly mentioned I didn't care too much about the historical accuracy, and that it was just trivial if it was true or not, and now I still get an argument on my thread because of a historical discussion.

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    Default Re: Making Spear Warband use short pike

    LOL, I didn't read the historical accuracy part, and now I apologize. But still, HRTW's historians is not really reliable. No matter if I respect him or not, he's not correct.

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