Small enquiry about "forcing diplomacy"

[Heinz Guderian]

Hi guys. Sorry if this clutters up the forum esp if its been asked before, if so please move/delete/close. I'm loving RTR so far. Well worth the wait and easily the most important mod release of any game for me since RTR 6.

I'm playing as Sparta and have managed to spread north and take control of Delphi after many hard battles. I like to role play in my campaigns and dont normally go for straight conquest blitzkrieg style (which i guess is unusual with my forum ID). I'm pretty sure i have broken the back of the Aitolians as well as Antigonos, but i dont want to conquer them, i want to keep them alive and hopefullu ally with them to prepare for the coming Romans or Getae, and also to act as a buffer.

I remember there being a "force diplomacy" option where you would click "reset advisor" and then enter a negotiation, click the question mark/show me how and the AI would agree your terms. I believe it was a mod.

I know some would consider it cheating, but i like to sculpt my campaigns and Pannonian suggested using this to me to make the campaign more enjoyable which it certainly did. I was wondering if i anyone could offer advice to me about implementing it or would it mess up the scripting?

I appreciate any suggestions.

[MasterOfThessus]

Hmm you could use the same force diplomacy script that is used in other mods, but don't ask me about the tecnicalities

In theory though, it should work

[Heinz Guderian]

Hmm you could use the same force diplomacy script that is used in other mods, but don't ask me about the tecnicalities

In theory though, it should work

Thank you sir. I will try this

[Voice of Treason]

...@ HG...perhaps an alternative might be to investigate the possibilities of Romeshell Console and commands...
...though perhaps considered blasphemy to purists and the antithesis of everything a Realism mod stands for...
...to manipulate a campaign for a blitzkreig win is folly...
...to manipulate a campaign to prolongue maximum pleasure; campaign satisfaction and experience; should not be considered cheating....but The Divine Manipulation of Threads...
...???...

[hollowfaith]

Hey HG, I have a step by step instruction for setting up forced diplomacy. Not home right now but when I get home I'll post it up for you. I cannot guarantee that it'll work with rtr:VII or that it might mess something up.

EDIT: As Promised. Again, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! The data folder your looking for will be in your RTRVII folder. If you do not know what you are doing then please don't even try to add this on your own. I, nor the RTR team will not be held responsible if you ruin your R:TW installation, blow up your computer, your house, or for your family pets from running away! Now, on to...

How to add a "force diplomacy" option.

You need to modify two files...

data/export_descr_advice.txt
data/text/export_advice.txt

...and add one.

data/scripts/show_me/Force_Diplomacy.txt

1. data/export_descr_advice.txt

Replace the existing Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Thread with this:
Code:
;------------------------------------------
AdviceThread Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Thread
GameArea Campaign

Item Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01
Suppressible n
Uninhibitable
Verbosity 0
Threshold 1
Attitude Normal
Presentation Default
Title Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Title
Script scripts\show_me\Force_Diplomacy.txt
Text Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Text1

Replace the existing 2085B_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Help_Trigger trigger with this:
Code:
;------------------------------------------
Trigger 2085B_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Help_Trigger
WhenToTest ScrollAdviceRequested

Condition ScrollAdviceRequested diplomacy_scroll

AdviceThread Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Thread 0

2. data/text/export_advice.txt

Replace the existing Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice entries with these:
Code:
¬-------------------

{Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Title} Force Diplomacy

{Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Text1}
You can force this faction to accept your offer by clicking on the "show me how" button.

3. data/scripts/show_me/Force_Diplomacy.txt

Here's the script itself:
Code:
script
declare_show_me
declare_counter loop

monitor_event AbandonShowMe TrueCondition
suspend_unscripted_advice false
console_command force_diplomacy off
terminate_script
end_monitor

monitor_event ScrollClosed ScrollClosed diplomacy_scroll
ui_flash_stop
suspend_unscripted_advice false
console_command force_diplomacy off
terminate_script
end_monitor

suspend_unscripted_advice true

console_command force_diplomacy accept

while I_CompareCounter loop = 0
end_while

suspend_unscripted_advice false
end_script

[Heinz Guderian]

Hey HG, I have a step by step instruction for setting up forced diplomacy. Not home right now but when I get home I'll post it up for you. I cannot guarantee that it'll work with rtr:VII or that it might mess something up.

EDIT: As Promised. Again, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! The data folder your looking for will be in your RTRVII folder. If you do not know what you are doing then please don't even try to add this on your own. I, nor the RTR team will not be held responsible if you ruin your R:TW installation, blow up your computer, your house, or for your family pets from running away! Now, on to...

How to add a "force diplomacy" option.

You need to modify two files...

data/export_descr_advice.txt
data/text/export_advice.txt

...and add one.

data/scripts/show_me/Force_Diplomacy.txt

1. data/export_descr_advice.txt

Replace the existing Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Thread with this:
Code:
;------------------------------------------
AdviceThread Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Thread
GameArea Campaign

Item Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01
Suppressible n
Uninhibitable
Verbosity 0
Threshold 1
Attitude Normal
Presentation Default
Title Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Title
Script scripts\show_me\Force_Diplomacy.txt
Text Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Text1

Replace the existing 2085B_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Help_Trigger trigger with this:
Code:
;------------------------------------------
Trigger 2085B_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Help_Trigger
WhenToTest ScrollAdviceRequested

Condition ScrollAdviceRequested diplomacy_scroll

AdviceThread Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Thread 0

2. data/text/export_advice.txt

Replace the existing Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice entries with these:
Code:
¬-------------------

{Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Title} Force Diplomacy

{Help_UI_Panel_Diplomacy_Early_Advice_Text_01_Text1}
You can force this faction to accept your offer by clicking on the "show me how" button.

3. data/scripts/show_me/Force_Diplomacy.txt

Here's the script itself:
Code:
script
declare_show_me
declare_counter loop

monitor_event AbandonShowMe TrueCondition
suspend_unscripted_advice false
console_command force_diplomacy off
terminate_script
end_monitor

monitor_event ScrollClosed ScrollClosed diplomacy_scroll
ui_flash_stop
suspend_unscripted_advice false
console_command force_diplomacy off
terminate_script
end_monitor

suspend_unscripted_advice true

console_command force_diplomacy accept

while I_CompareCounter loop = 0
end_while

suspend_unscripted_advice false
end_script

thank you for posting this sir. I have just followed your instructions and will be jumping into a game to test it now. I will report back shortly.

Also, can anyone confirm when playing as Sparta, that two extra units spawn in the capital after taking 25 regions? I'm pretty sure i am on about 27 regions but no units . I was using an old FOE force diplomacy mod when i passed the threshold though so it could be me. I just want to know if the spawning units are WAD -working as designed. Thanks

[AngryTitusPullo]

Also, can anyone confirm when playing as Sparta, that two extra units spawn in the capital after taking 25 regions? I'm pretty sure i am on about 27 regions but no units . I was using an old FOE force diplomacy mod when i passed the threshold though so it could be me. I just want to know if the spawning units are WAD -working as designed. Thanks

If you have save game prior to 25 region then maybe you can post it so someone can take a look ?

[Bernardius]

interesting question "schneller Heinz"! i like to play it just like that, also think its more realistic!

[AngryTitusPullo]

interesting question "schneller Heinz"! i like to play it just like that, also think its more realistic!

Only when used in the correct time, for example when the AI faction is left with one settlement and refuse truce..

[Delta146]

I try to use FD to keep the AI from being really dumb and starting ridiculous wars against me when they are clearly in a horrible position to do so, to force realistic ceasefires (as opposed to all wars ending up with the AI getting destroyed), and to prevent the AI from ruining the realism in general.

[Heinz Guderian]

DING DING DING. WE HAVE A WINNER.

Thank you so much for taking the time out to post that Hollowfaith. You are a gentleman.

Now everyone rep him for me plz thnks.

[MasterOfThessus]

DING DING DING. WE HAVE A WINNER.

Thank you so much for taking the time out to post that Hollowfaith. You are a gentleman.

Now everyone rep him for me plz thnks.

Repped

[Heinz Guderian]

If you have save game prior to 25 region then maybe you can post it so someone can take a look ?

3 people have told me that the spawn after 25 regions is WAD in their campaign so its my problem. I think its cos i used the force diplomacy mod from FOE before i hit the 25 region mark. Oh well, i will use my general's bodyguards as SPAAARTARNS.

I could still upload a save if anyone is into that kind of thing.

Repped

thank you sir

[freakkriek]

DING DING DING. WE HAVE A WINNER.

Thank you so much for taking the time out to post that Hollowfaith. You are a gentleman.

Now everyone rep him for me plz thnks.

hi i was wondering if you could help me. I tried to implement the force_Diplo mode for realism purposes
but when i added the script and all i get this.

spoiler

any suggestions???

[Heinz Guderian]

this is the one before the 25 regions mark. I am running the force diplomacy script with it on my laptop.


EDIT: hold the phone, i will try to hit the 25 regions mark using this save and restore my RTR install to its original i.e. remove the force diplomacy script. I will update you and see how it goes.

EDIT 2: SORRY WRONG SAVE. IT SHOULD BE RTR2 RATHER THAN RTR1 SORRY

[AngryTitusPullo]

this is the one before the 25 regions mark. I am running the force diplomacy script with it on my laptop.

Thanks. I will try it. I'm running the mod with Alex however so see how it goes.

Edit. Well it works and the new units is spawned. Possibly you have forgot to run the script after loading the save game ? I don't think adding the diplomacy trigger will have any effect unless you accidently deleted the spawn trigger in the script file.

[Heinz Guderian]

Thanks. I will try it. I'm running the mod with Alex however so see how it goes.

my apologies it should be RTR2 save rather than the RTR1 save.

I dont know how to delete attachments!

[AngryTitusPullo]

No prob. I'll try and report back.

Ok. Didn't work though. Maybe the script trigger got corrupted somehow.

[Heinz Guderian]

what do you reckon? full RTR install or full RTW, patches, BI, patches then RTR install?

Thanks for trying that for me

[AngryTitusPullo]

I can give you the last save game up to 24 region just in case you want to try.

Unless a dev can confirm it's a bug I think you a new RTR install might be enough. Unless the diplomacy that you have added somehow interfere with the script I don't think save games will work. Only new campaign.

I saw that you have advisors on. May be it interfere with the script or make you think you have the script running even if it doesn't ?