Idiot atheists

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Now, I don't believe in God, and I've never understood the sometimes militant hostility of certain theists on this forum towards atheists. Until just now.

I was watching a talk show here and on it were an atheist couple (although they claimed not be atheist they were). The nearest school to them was a Catholic school so they sent their child there. They could have sent him further afield but they chose not to. Then they started complaining about how he was being taught religion there, and it was laughable when they started claiming he "came home frightened, asking why God was watching him all the time". They demanded he be removed from religion class, and he was, but as it's a Catholic school he comes into contact with religion throughout the day. Then they started ranting about "tolerance for other view points" and mad stuff like that. It was truly embarrassing.

And I've noticed a lot more of this type of thing pervading the media at the moment. It makes me embarrassed to be labelled an atheist.

[Denny Crane!]

Ugh what?

I went to a rabidly christian school (arguably the MOST christian school in the UK) and while I didn't characterise it as scary at the time it was downright disturbing and very disturbing to the sane teachers there which they imparted to us after some of the worst sermons.

I don't have the full facts on what you are talking about but then I suspect neither do you. I've been there done that and I'd never allow my child to be exposed to such vitriolic bigotry at whatever cost up to and including homeschooling.

Maybe you'd better explain to me as maybe I've misunderstood.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I'd never allow my child to be exposed to such vitriolic bigotry at whatever cost up to and including homeschooling.

Wanting to protect your child is usually fine but sheltering them from the world in general is not good for their personal development. There's a reason people are negatively described as being "sheltered". Any vices, negative beliefs or divisions you protet protect your child from, he will experience in later life regardless. Except when he encounters them, he'll be thin-skinned, insecure, inconfident and unhappy in his late teens and early twenties. As Marcus Aurelius said, "It is a ridiculous thing for a man not to fly from his own badness, which is indeed possible, but to fly from other men's badness, which is impossible."

It's not like he'll believe any of it. You and I and many other members of this forum have been through Catholic schooling yet are irreligious and unbigoted.

Now, I'm 99% sure you won't be sending any children of yours to a catholic school. But if, for whatever reason, schedule or whatever, you had to, it would still be better than homeschooling.

[Claudius Gothicus]

I hate parents who demand to get their children removed from certain classes because ''it might offend their beliefs''... (just like some creationist nut jobs might demand from the teachers to remove their child from Biology or SexEd. classes)

It's not really about ''offending the child's beliefs'' it's about them projecting their parental insecurity into the child and in doing so needlessly subjecting the him to the jokes and teases of his/her classmates.

I don't have the full facts on what you are talking about but then I suspect neither do you. I've been there done that and I'd never allow my child to be exposed to such vitriolic bigotry at whatever cost up to and including homeschooling.

I disagree, I believe that ''adaptation to assertive environments'' and learning to ''choose your battles'' is far better than simply shielding a kid from ''outer ideological influences'', even the kinda dangerous one's like ''abrahamic religious logic''.

In fact I believe that assertively swallowing Bullcrap is a fundamental part of growing up and maturing. That's why I believe that Schools should be a ''controlled mess'' in most cases.

[basics]

" I hate parents who demand to get their children removed from certain classes because ''it might offend their beliefs''... (just like some creationist nut jobs might demand from the teachers to remove their child from Biology or SexEd. classes)"

Claudius Gothicus,

Is there a difference between parents and creationist nutjobs? I happen to be of the latter but I have not withdrawn any of my children from any class ever, nor have I threatened to which I could have considering some of the rubbish being taught and that nothing to do with religion.

[generalveers]

" I hate parents who demand to get their children removed from certain classes because ''it might offend their beliefs''... (just like some creationist nut jobs might demand from the teachers to remove their child from Biology or SexEd. classes)"

Claudius Gothicus,

Is there a difference between parents and creationist nutjobs? I happen to be of the latter but I have not withdrawn any of my children from any class ever, nor have I threatened to which I could have considering some of the rubbish being taught and that nothing to do with religion.

Did you just admit to being a creationist nutjob?

If a parent has issues with the curriculum being taught, they need to talk to their kids about it instead of taking upon themselves to save other children from the same thing.

[Denny Crane!]

Nope.

I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching should I find out it is going on. That is just sensible.

No problem with lessons and teaching being imparted to them, but if someone starts telling my child that being gay is evil and they'll be damned to hell or that god is watching him judging him then that is not religious education but indoctrination then I'll be down at the school gates with a pitchfork and torch chanting "rhubarb rhubarb" and getting him the FO of those classes.

What kind of idiot parent would want a child indoctrinated? Seriously just who are the "idiot" atheists, I'll pick other people judging me over protecting the integrity of my child education.

Edit: You know what I'm just guessing I'm discussing this with people who either agree with the views (not the case thus far but bound to come) or people with no experience of it, because otherwise I suspect this issue wouldn't be argued. So nuff said on my part.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Nope.

Yep

I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching should I find out it is going on. That is just sensible.

World ain't a sensible place, and Schools are freaking messes(even the most ''strict and totalitarian one's'' find their way into chaotic jungle like behavior in more or less asymmetric power relationships).

No problem with lessons and teaching being imparted to them, but if someone starts telling my child that being gay is evil and they'll be damned to hell or that god is watching him judging him then that is not religious education but indoctrination then I'll be down at the school gates with a pitchfork and torch chanting "rhubarb rhubarb" and getting him the FO of those classes.

You simply tell your child that the teacher is a closeted homosexual with moronic views but warn him of telling it to anybody. Parenting is about adapting too, giving your kid the weapons to adapt and innovate in conflictive environments too.

What kind of idiot parent would want a child indoctrinated? Seriously just who are the "idiot" atheists, I'll pick other people judging me over protecting the integrity of my child education.

Unless you are projecting some kind of hypothetical example which has completely absent parents I'm pretty sure that Moms and Dads are quite influential on the construction of the child's ideas too. You(or anyone else for that matter) CAN compete and win over some school's retarded ideology, the easiest way to do it it's too simply ask your kid about what did they learn in Religious Class.

Edit: You know what I'm just guessing I'm discussing this with people who either agree with the views (not the case thus far but bound to come) or people with no experience of it, because otherwise I suspect this issue wouldn't be argued. So nuff said on my part.

Let me guess... I just got completely drove out of the discussion because I don't what the hell I'm talking about? I went to a catholic School for 6 years(from 12 to 18) and they did spout some bigoted stupid bull crap.

[hellas1]

Nope.

I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching should I find out it is going on. That is just sensible.

No problem with lessons and teaching being imparted to them, but if someone starts telling my child that being gay is evil and they'll be damned to hell or that god is watching him judging him then that is not religious education but indoctrination then I'll be down at the school gates with a pitchfork and torch chanting "rhubarb rhubarb" and getting him the FO of those classes.

What kind of idiot parent would want a child indoctrinated? Seriously just who are the "idiot" atheists, I'll pick other people judging me over protecting the integrity of my child education.

Edit: You know what I'm just guessing I'm discussing this with people who either agree with the views (not the case thus far but bound to come) or people with no experience of it, because otherwise I suspect this issue wouldn't be argued. So nuff said on my part.

I'd like to bring attention this particular phrase, which very well MIGHT be the Atheist's buzz-phrase regarding any religion, Christianity or not:
"I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching should I find out it is going on. That is just sensible."

If a person is brought into a Muslim, Buddhist, Waldorf or Christian (whatever denomination) school, then expect something of what the founder(s) of each respective religion to be interwoven and probably taught to the kids.......DUH.......

It should be pointed out that Atheism is a belief system ALSO with its own bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching.

Many Atheists are humanists to boot.....Humanist Manifesto anyone?

Finally, It requires FAITH to believe there is no God as well.
hellas1.5

[Denny Crane!]

Nothing wrong with secularization, but it's kind of redundant to wish for at a religious school.

Muslim children chose to reject would you deny equal choice to religious children?

In the UK the choice is based on location and grade score. They are all supposed to conform to teaching standards, problem?

I'd like to bring attention this particular phrase, which very well MIGHT be the Atheist's buzz-phrase regarding any religion, Christianity or not:
"I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching should I find out it is going on. That is just sensible."

It should be pointed out that Atheism is a belief system ALSO with its own bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching.

Many Atheists are humanists.....Humanist Manifesto anyone?

It requires FAITH to believe there is no God as well.
hellas1.5

Notice the fact that Hellas managed to construct many sentences even quoted some but didn't actually mange to make a single point!

(and btw still waiting for that reply in the capitalist thread another place you couldn't make a point in)

I'd like to bring attention this particular phrase, which very well MIGHT be the Atheist's buzz-phrase regarding any religion, Christianity or not:
"I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching should I find out it is going on. That is just sensible."

If a person is brought into a Muslim, Buddhist, Waldorf or Christian (whatever denomination) school, then expect something of what the founder(s) of each respective religion to be interwoven and probably taught to the kids.......DUH.......

But not bigoted idiot views...duh!!!!!!!!!!!

It should be pointed out that Atheism is a belief system ALSO with its own bigoted preaching and idiot prejudicial preaching.

Many Atheists are humanists to boot.....Humanist Manifesto anyone?

Finally, It requires FAITH to believe there is no God as well.
hellas1.5

Does it? Explain how? Where is the faith in just accepting no proof?

Really dishonest use of editing I might add, but then I expect nothing less with a poster of your caliber.

[hellas1]

Muslim children chose to reject would you deny equal choice to religious children?

In the UK the choice is based on location and grade score. They are all supposed to conform to teaching standards, problem?




Notice the fact that Hellas managed to construct many sentences even quoted some but didn't actually mange to make a single point!

(and btw still waiting for that reply in the capitalist thread another place you couldn't make a point in)



But not bigoted idiot views...duh!!!!!!!!!!!


Does it? Explain how? Where is the faith in just accepting no proof?

Really dishonest use of editing I might add, but then I expect nothing less with a poster of your caliber.

It seems that every Atheist, most especially yourself, wants people to tell them what they've already researched.

I'm not saying anything because you've already looked into it.

Atheism: Grabbing for straws since .......................

Bow down to the Almighty Brain and winged Science.......Your gods will save you NOT

Chew on that for while bud,
hellas1.5

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

I have to agree with that couple, although it's entirely their fault for sending the child there.
I don't think it's right that they use fear to proselytize small children. When I was a small child and went to a Catholic school, I was only Christian out of a fear of dying and going to hell. A little bit unethical.

It should be pointed out that Atheism is a belief system

No it isn't. It's the lack of a belief system.

I'm almost positive the Catholic Church didn't accept that there are other planets until like 2004 or something. You'd be surprised at what the Church does and does not recognize.

I find it hard to believe that even the RCC is that stupid.

[Fenwayb]

I find it hard to believe that even the RCC is that stupid.

You'd be surprised...but to be honest, after reading that again, I think it was that they didn't recognize the possibility of extraterrestrial life until 2004.

[Col. Tartleton]

You'd be surprised...but to be honest, after reading that again, I think it was that they didn't recognize the possibility of extraterrestrial life until 2004.

In 2004 (I'm not sure the year but it sounds right) the church IIRC came up with a doctrine of either uniting with the "space Catholics" for lack of a better word. On the assumption that there was a Jesus or the Jesus on every life bearing planet, or the peaceful conversion of non Christian aliens if that is the case. RCC ruler that sapient aliens are to be considered people.

It's actually one of the more forward looking things I've heard of, quite the opposite of your thought.

RCC is coming around, its just such a conservative collective it moves slowly. It's pro science as much as it can be. I mean you have the think most of the priesthood are either going to be semi liberal reform types who entered to change it or orthodox priests who want to preserve the old ways they grew up on. It's the catholic nuns not the priests from my sources who are the loonies.

It's because they're women and they're married to Jesus.

Catholics like the big bang because "evidence of a creation" is better than a literal 6,000 year old earth. That's protestant territory. Likewise evolution is generally viewed as a divinely guided process. Perhaps not by the church, but by the majority.

[Dominicvs]

Well I'm Catholic, but I grew up in a very atheist society, at a state school (no religion taught) and I had to go through all the bull of evolution and the big bang theory, but I just put up with it and left it as another possibility. Even though the school teaches it as fact which itself is incorrect as they are theories. It was even harder seeing my friends (all of whom are atheist, but take no interest what so ever so they don't even know it) being indoctrinated by our atheist curriculum to believe what they are told about that dribble. I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted teaching and preaching of atheistic views!

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Even though the school teaches it as fact which itself is incorrect as they are theories.

You don't know what a theory is do you?

[Col. Tartleton]

Well I'm Catholic, but I grew up in a very atheist society, at a state school (no religion taught) and I had to go through all the bull of evolution and the big bang theory, but I just put up with it and left it as another possibility. Even though the school teaches it as fact which itself is incorrect as they are theories. It was even harder seeing my friends (all of whom are atheist, but take no interest what so ever so they don't even know it) being indoctrinated by our atheist curriculum to believe what they are told about that dribble. I will 100% object to my child being subjected to bigoted teaching and preaching of atheistic views!

Haha The Catholic Church accepts that stuff. A catholic invented the "Big Bang" and they've accepted evolution as the most likely method of how things came to be.

[Dominicvs]

Haha The Catholic Church accepts that stuff. A catholic invented the "Big Bang" and they've accepted evolution as the most likely method of how things came to be.

Wrong. The Catholic Church has no stance on the theory of Evolution and the Big Bang.

My personal two cents. If parents want their children to be taught about atheistic theories, then special atheist schools should be nominated. If they want a religious upbringing, take them to a theist school. State schools should teach neither theories. They should not include the origins of the universe and man in any class, science or not.

[Vanoi]

My personal two cents. If parents want their children to be taught about atheistic theories,.

Evolution and the big bang are not athesistic theories. They are theories backed up with some solid evidence (solid evidence for evolution anyways) Evolution is taught as fact because of how much evidence it has behind it. I cannot say the same for creationism.

then special atheist schools should be nominated. If they want a religious upbringing, take them to a theist school.

Horrible idea considering again they are not atheistic theories. There should be no special atheist schools. Regular schools should teach evolution and the big bang. If you want to learn about creationism, you go to church or a religious school.

State schools should teach neither theories. They should not include the origins of the universe and man in any class, science or not.

Why not? Again those theories are backed up by facts, creationism is not.

[Alkaline Earth]

Why even argue? Neither side has any real facts to back itself up. I'm Baptist Christian ( and I live in the deep south for that matter ) and even I recognize this. I believe he died on the cross for our sins.

And don't give a damn if some guy say's, "Well, we atheists don't have an explanation for the universe so let's just say it all happened at once." Thus the big bang was born.

I'm not dissaproving anyone or anything, I have my beliefs, so do others, and you guys even have yours. Atheists aren't idiot's, An example of what it can be compared to is: "All Afghanees hate the Taliban." Which simply isn't the case.

~ Thomas

PS I'm only 14, and I just pwnd you...