Why are we even discussing god?

**Lee1026** · April 05, 2006, 11:23 PM

Really, why are we even bothering to discuss matters of religion at all? God is not something that can be proven or disproven by either the evidence that science requires, or the logical rigor that math requires. All we can really say is brouce ideas of "I think......" around and all participants know that will never get us anywhere.

So why are we even bothering to discuss such a issue?

**RZZZA** · April 05, 2006, 11:27 PM

I dunno, good question, its why I've refrained from going into religious topics recently. It's always the same crap. Everytime I hear some religious person talk about what THEY thing God/religion/the afterlife is like I always wanna go "Yeah, but what if nothing happens after you die? Your brain shuts down, you go under the ground, and thats it. Blackness, Nothingness. Just like what it was like before you were born. Remember that? Of course not, because it was nothingness."

Or when people talk about what God is like or what he did...that always cracks me up. Or how we try to "human-ize" him by turning him into an aristotle type, yeah he had a flowing white beard and he always wears one of those ancient greece/mahatma ghandi robes...he's a single parent, he has temper tantrums every now and then...

**RazorOutlaw** · April 05, 2006, 11:29 PM

You honestly need to ask this question? The belief in God is one of the biggest beliefs in Western thought. The actions by people are governed by the thought of Him, what he apparently said, and what his followers have concluded about what he has said. When people say "It's God's will" that event X happened, it's time to examine whether God was behind event X or whether event X happened because of event Y.

Discussing God and his role in our lives is what got us beyond prayer healing.

Now if you're trying to say that we need to discuss something else besides God, I'm all for it. Make a thread asking a complex question about morality, leaving God out of the equation. Ask about the morality behind war, or using violence to achieve an end. Anything really would be a nice change.

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I say anything would be a nice change because I fear people will complain that all we talk about is God, forgetting the fact that if they're complaining about the topics treading the same ground then they should do something about it.

I actually enjoy talking about God because I was raised to believe in God, became apathetic, and now wish to explore the idea of God as a skeptic instead of an apathetic believer who follows his religion because of tradition. That the topic of God is currently "hot" only makes things more interesting for me.

**Final Frontier** · April 05, 2006, 11:31 PM

Because all eyes see differently. Seriously, argument is something that has always been there, it's a part of us that can't go away. We'll always be arguing about things, it is in our nature.

I imagine that God is a heated debate because we are all curious about what happens after we've "bitten the dust." Will there be anything to look forward to after life? Also, how did we all get here? Is life just some big accident? Questioning the incomprehensible may seem absurd, but there is nothing wrong with wondering, questioning, arguing. Life is a ? that will never be answered, but curiosity doesn’t take no for an answer.

One last thing, what is all this fuss about putting the reputation marker in sigs? I want to be egoistical, also...

**vizi** · April 05, 2006, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Seleucid Empire

One last thing, what is all this fuss about putting the reputation marker in sigs? I want to be egoistical, also...

That is why that system is pointless.

On topic again: I never understood the discussions about god(s) existence but people constantly do. The point of a religion is to believe w/o evidence. And of course the atheists say there is no evidence so god(s) don't exist and no one will ever budge from that position. So basically it is nothing but a ****ing contest.

**RZZZA** · April 05, 2006, 11:52 PM

The point of religion is to brainwash normally rational and intelligent people into believing fairytales and exagerations, memorize lies and fantasy and hopefully pass some of it off as fact while theyre at it. The point of organized religion, is control, and a sense of purpose in a purposeless world.

edit-but I hope there is an afterlife, cuz this life is boring. I want to be an angel in the afterlife, one of those that fly's around with a sword. And I could fight other angels, bad ones. The lead bad angel can be played by Ben Affleck, and that would be a HELL of a lot more of an interesting existence than this pathetic life and time.

**Admiral Nelson** · April 06, 2006, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by RZZZA

The point of religion is to brainwash normally rational and intelligent people into believing fairytales and exagerations, memorize lies and fantasy and hopefully pass some of it off as fact while theyre at it. The point of organized religion, is control, and a sense of purpose in a purposeless world.

Wow. This is my new favourite quote. :laughing:

**RZZZA** · April 06, 2006, 02:46 AM

Heh, thanks, but do me a favor and dont take what I say too seriously. I'm actually a dumbass. :wink:

**ErikinWest** · April 05, 2006, 11:37 PM

I don't understand why people would wish to believe in a god.

I can't prove that an interstellar turtle didn't lay an egg and that it turned into the Milky Way, nor can I disprove it. So I decide to follow the empirical way of though: evidence is required on behalf of those who state that there is.

AND even I might be willing to accept that some people believe that a godly form created the universe. But why? Why?! Would you believe that this one guy, 2000 years ago, knew the right way to follow what god wanted? Then couple more guys claimed the same thing.

My thoughts,
Erik

**Gaidin** · April 05, 2006, 11:39 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask why we discuss literature and author's inspirations. I'm going to ask why we theorize on the causes on historic events. I want to know why we're curious about what inspired the great artists to create the art they did in the fashion they did. I won't even bother asking about morals and ethics.

We cannot prove or disprove ideas behind these things to the great extent that science wishes, and while logic may play a role, it is certainly not to the extent that math requires it for its own theory. The responses that come to mind regarding these things takes the form of "I think...." and we know this is futile.

Why discuss these things?

I'm in a cynical mood tonight....

**DarkKnight** · April 05, 2006, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Lee1026

Really, why are we even bothering to discuss matters of religion at all? God is not something that can be proven or disproven by either the evidence that science requires, or the logical rigor that math requires. All we can really say is brouce ideas of "I think......" around and all participants know that will never get us anywhere.

So why are we even bothering to discuss such a issue?

And you do know that this thread will just evolve into another one of them

**Chiron202** · April 05, 2006, 11:45 PM

i'm just going to say that we can discuss historical aspects of a religion here in an intelligent manner, like what can be empirically proved reagrading autographic texs and so on, or what the historical actions of a "founder" were. Or we can debate doctrine when we are basing it of the same texts. So there is plenty of room for debate here about certain aspects of religion in general, but I agree, most discussions without a solid base will just degenerate into opposing fundamental ideas that can never be reconciled...