Unable to make alliance

**Rupsie** · August 29, 2011, 05:57 AM

In my migration campaign as the Turks I am unable to make an alliance with Novgorot. The option to make an alliance does simply not show up in the diplomacy screen even though relations is perfect..... (I am not at war with anyone except rebels). So what is preventing me?

Here is a screen of the diplomacy screen

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**Caesar Clivus** · August 29, 2011, 06:02 AM

You're talking to a settlement. Try approaching a Novgorod general or family member.

**Homeros** · August 29, 2011, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus

You're talking to a settlement. Try approaching a Novgorod general or family member.

Does that matter? I considered it irrelevant whether I started negotiations with a city (talking to a bunch of bricks LOL) or a general / governor. But I have to admit running into similar issues as the OP (no alliance option).

What about the Danes? The Novgo's are their allies, are you at war with the Danes? Maybe that's blocking the option to ally yourself with Novgorod?

**Caesar Clivus** · August 29, 2011, 07:02 AM

If he was at war with the Danes, their name would appear in red (just like your allies appear in green)

**Rupsie** · August 29, 2011, 07:11 AM

Nop talking to generals does NOT work....

You're talking to a settlement. Try approaching a Novgorod general or family member.

Here is a screenshot of it

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Any clues? (we have a history of war and took 2 cities, but that should not prevent an alliance after some turns I think)

**Caesar Clivus** · August 29, 2011, 07:20 AM

Wait...what campaign AI are you using?

**Lazy** · August 29, 2011, 12:03 PM

I have the same "problem"... i cannot ally with norway who is not at war with anyone allied with me...
after hundreds of games i had this only once so i simply ignore it... => hotseat with the ai that is "used by most players", i forgot the name

**HUSKY** · August 29, 2011, 06:55 PM

some alliance's are blocked by scrips? depending on AI and sub mods?

**Dahoota** · August 30, 2011, 12:19 AM

Have you killed off any factions Novgorod was previously allied to? Or vice versa? That's one reason the Alliance option won't appear that I recently discovered.

**Rupsie** · August 30, 2011, 01:19 AM

I use Savage AI

Have you killed off any factions Novgorod was previously allied to? Or vice versa? That's one reason the Alliance option won't appear that I recently discovered.

If this is true, than this must be the problem...
Than the question remains how do you "solve" it (what to delete in what folder?)

**Dahoota** · August 30, 2011, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Rupsie

Than the question remains how do you "solve" it (what to delete in what folder?)

AFAIK there is no fix to it, it's hard-coded M2TW diplomacy game mechanics (well you DID invade and kill off their friends). Some of the veterans here might know otherwise though.

**Caesar Clivus** · August 30, 2011, 04:20 AM

Diplomacy options are pretty much hardcoded unfortunately.

**Knight of Santiago** · August 30, 2011, 08:51 AM

I have the same problem in my campaign. Even though I managed to vanquish Aragon by assasinating all family members. I didn't get caught, yet Hungary wont ally with me against the Turks.

It is annoying since the whole point of using the assasins was to fullfil my victory conditions as Leon-Castille without angering the Pope (who was also an ally of the Aragonese at the time).