Time for legion reforms

[Plaut]

Ok this is just for my curiosity. From witch year i might do play with named hamata legions and when from witch with segmentata. I usualy do the marian reform in period from 110 to 105. I guess i should play with hamata form 59 B.C and caesars Galic war and for the segmentata from 70 A.D. If anyone have suggestions for this please answer me.

[Dramatic Cat]

Welp the marian reforms were in 107 B.C. which is 646 AUC in RSII, which is around 200 turns...

Most people end their campagins before that. Hell, my fastest campaign was with Parthia and I finished it in 577 AUC.

And I'm not even gonna talk about the Segmentata... 70 A.D.?? Thats like... more than 500 turns?

Most people have different house rules, some let them "activate" after they've conquered the same regions the Romans had at the time. (southern spain, greece, N. africa and Asia minor I believe) others wait only untill carthage has been destroyed... so on, so on.
But most certainly nobody waits 200 turns.

[rory o'kane]

As a general rule, I don't stick to historical years, I just expand in the right historical order, so for me it's not about dates, but simply which provinces were annexed in what order. I swear I wrote a guide for someone on this recently. I'll try to dig it up, and post the link shortly. In the mean time...
The first named legions began life as "just another legion", with their numbers simply showing the order in which they were recruited, and slowly over time gained accolades and titles, as Rome's legions began their final transition to permanence (even as the Republic was inevitably becoming Empire) - it was only later during the Empire, when the existing legions already had names from over a century of service, that new legions that were created were given names right off the bat, usually to reflect their recruiting grounds (Legiones I, II, et III Italica), the Emperor's favourite deity (Legio I Minervia - Domitian's favourite deity was Minerva), the circumstances of their recruitment (Legiones I et II Adiutrix), or simply the emperor's own names (hence Legiones II Traiana Fortis and Legio XXX Ulpia Victrix - Ulpius was the name of Trajan's family).
As such, you should start using the first named and numbered Hamata legions in the 80s BC, as the first legions that eventually became named we can trace were used by Pompey, not Caesar, in his campaigns in Hispania against the rebel Quintus Sertorius. Certainly, during Pompey's conquest of the East, they should be used (which occured in the 60s BC).
As for segmentata, the first known example of lorica segmentata dates from 9 BC. And since the Curia Hostilia buildings represent Augustus' reforms of the Roman army when he came to the throne in 27 BC (i.e. it allows you to train "proper" regularised auxilia along with legionnaires equipped with Lorica Segmentata), that's when you should build the Curia Hostilia in as many provinces as you can in one go, and so represent a sweeping, empire-wide reform. I also like to build the final tax building in Rome at that point too, as it is meant to represent Augustus' reforms of Rome's taxation system (hence the empire-wide 10% happiness bonus).

[Lt.Speirs]

I did..... almost. I wanted it to trigger at 646auc, only I could wait any longer and just let it happen around 620auc.

[rory o'kane]

Found it!

This the Republic at 100BC - roughly the time of the reforms:
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/emp...t/100bc-2.html

So, the empire should look roughly like that when you trigger your reforms.
You should attempt to start using the first named and numbered legions when you invade Syria & Pontus (from the the section labelled "Effects of Pompey's Eastern Campaign" onwards).
You should be in the position to build the Curia Hostilia in as many provinces as possible by the time you annex Egypt and Judea, to simulate the reforms of the Roman Army instituted by Augustus (the first Emperor, who came to the throne in 27BC) - which the Curia Hostilia represents by making the regularised auxilia of the Imperial Roman Army available, as well as the later named and numbered legions equipped with Lorica Segmentata.
The historical boundaries of the empire should then be expanded as per the instructions below these three maps:
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/emp.../augustus.html
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/emp.../claudius.html
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/emp...nt/trajan.html

Note: as the three easternmost provinces on the last map (Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Assyria) were conquered between 113 and 117, and then abandoned by Hadrian in 118 following Trajan's death, they are beyond the historically "stable" limits of the Empire, and so are outside the Roman AOR. However, the areas between Pannonia and Dacia, and Dacia and Moesia Inferior were taken earlier, and stupidly abandoned by Hadrian (as so doing triples the length of the frontier), and Marcus Aurelius was planning their re-annexation before his death, these areas are in the Roman AOR. Hope that helps.