Acceptance of Paedophilia.

[Menelik_I]

Short Question : Should Paedophilia be an accepted practice ?

Rational Behind question : Since Homosexuality are accepted because they are ''just that way'', ie they didn't choose to be attracted to people of the same sex and it is beyond their control, why wouldn't

Paedophile be accepted too since their sexual attraction is beyond their control and they are just that way too ?

This double standard is a grave inconsistency in modern society.

Furthermore, the stigma against Paedophilia is due to our current social norms and somewhat residual from the age of Christian moral repression. Just redo the norms to corrects the stigma as it was done with Homosexuality.

[Exarch]

there shouldn't be the sort of hysteria over paedophilia that there is today but people who do sexually abuse children should be punished.
convicted child molesters should be punished but they shouldnt be hounded til the end of days the way they are today by media or vigilantes;
what i would be in favour of, is a support group type thing where those who feel they have uh 'paedophilic inclinations' can anonymously seek psychiatric help. Prevention is better than cure or punishment.

[ScottishAdam]

there shouldn't be the sort of hysteria over paedophilia that there is today but people who do sexually abuse children should be punished.
convicted child molesters should be punished but they shouldnt be hounded til the end of days the way they are today by media or vigilantes;
what i would be in favour of, is a support group type thing where those who feel they have uh 'paedophilic inclinations' can anonymously seek psychiatric help. Prevention is better than cure or punishment.

That is the answer in a nutshell. End of topic

[justicar5]

Short Question : Should Paedophilia be an accepted practice ?

Rational Behind question : Since Homosexuality are accepted because they are ''just that way'', ie they didn't choose to be attracted to people of the same sex and it is beyond their control, why wouldn't

Paedophile be accepted too since their sexual attraction is beyond their control and they are just that way too ?

This double standard is a grave inconsistency in modern society.

Furthermore, the stigma against Paedophilia is due to our current social norms and somewhat residual from the age of Christian moral repression. Just redo the norms to corrects the stigma as it was done with Homosexuality.

Nice strawman.

Homosexuality is between consenting adults, and so no one else's business, Paedophilia (and bestiality before you make that comparison) is rape, one of the participants cannot give reasoned consent in both of those cases.

[Ancient Aliens]

Nice strawman.

Homosexuality is between consenting adults, and so no one else's business, Paedophilia (and bestiality before you make that comparison) is rape, one of the participants cannot give reasoned consent in both of those cases.

Normally I agree with you but...

The legal age of consent is rather arbitrary, biologically speaking, human beings are able to give an informed sexual consent as early as 13 to 14 years old.

Many ethologists argue that animals can in fact consent to and attempt to solicit sex from humans. There clearly is no interspecies barrier for sexual attraction in certain individuals of many species.

The revulsion we see in modern society towards these sexual inclinations is not scientific in nature, it stems from Christian morality. A seperation of morality and law is long overdue. All this being said, I think both sexual inclinations are reproductively pointless, and, if legalized, serious constraints would need to be in placed on both inclinations, as deviation would indeed be rape.

[SLN445]

Homosexuality involves a relationship between two consenting adults, Paedophilia on the other hand does not, thats why one is accepted while the other isnt.

Edit: i think ive worded that wrong, but you get the general idea.

[Pinarius]

Homosexuality involves a relationship between two consenting adults, Paedophilia on the other hand does not, thats why one is accepted while the other isnt.

Edit: i think ive worded that wrong, but you get the general idea.

After this logic, under 18 y/o can't be homosexual then.

[Himster]

After this logic, under 18 y/o can't be homosexual then.

Only legally and active and only in some countries.

[justicar5]

After this logic, under 18 y/o can't be homosexual then.

You can't be a sexually active heterosexual under the age of consent either, legally.

[Pinarius]

You can't be a sexually active heterosexual under the age of consent either, legally.

Under 18 means legally not yet adult, but in many countries you could be 14 or 15 and have consensual sexual relationships. Just like 16 y/o teenagers are allowed to drink beer in some countries, but not in others. Besides that, I think homosexuality in historical times was more commonly something people did in their youth and far less in adulthood - now people seem to think it is the other way round (partly because parents are now less intolerant, when a teenage boy wants to date their daughter and also since the majority obvioulsy tends to equate "hard core sex" with homosexuality and hardly things like mutual :wub:, which makes the subject automatically more serious). Those terms (homosexuality, paraphilia, pedophilia etc.) don't have such a long history either. The idea that male homosexuality is normally something between two adult men is clearly product of modernity - mankind is far older than this era though. It follows an egalitarian pattern of thinking, while the pederasty of the old Graeco-Roman world was seen as uneven. Imagine a Roman emperor with a 25 y/o boyfriend at his side, Roman citizens would probably consider that to be more scandalous than him having a 15 y/o darling.

[Exarch]

according to them christian camps, homosexuality can be reprogrammed

[Menelik_I]

according to them christian camps, homosexuality can be reprogrammed

Of course they can be reprogramed and so people who have affection for children can't be reprogramed too.

[Taiji]

Another homophobic hate thread dressed up as something else

[Irish Warrior]

Nope, it is a forced act upon a child who cannot give consent, and forcing a child to do something like that is at a basic level wrong. And it is there with bestiality, with bestiality being not as bad in my eyes but that's because I think that someone with a strong bond with an animal might take it too far.

[Primo]

Short Question : Should Paedophilia be an accepted practice ?

Rational Behind question : Since Homosexuality are accepted because they are ''just that way'', ie they didn't choose to be attracted to people of the same sex and it is beyond their control, why wouldn't

Paedophile be accepted too since their sexual attraction is beyond their control and they are just that way too ?

This double standard is a grave inconsistency in modern society.

Furthermore, the stigma against Paedophilia is due to our current social norms and somewhat residual from the age of Christian moral repression. Just redo the norms to corrects the stigma as it was done with Homosexuality.

If you call it moral repression that it wasn´t allowed to abuse childs, then I would gladly choose moral repression. And before someone says about lattest case of child abusing in the church: Look at the statistics: Child abusings from atheists are so much more, and the media presses the matter of priests abusing children just because of the rarity value and because they have a grudge against christianity.

I´m catholic, and I don´t have anything against homosexuality - As long as both partners do it willingly. Child abusing is never willingly.

[Visna]

Short Question : Should Paedophilia be an accepted practice ?

Rational Behind question : Since Homosexuality are accepted because they are ''just that way'', ie they didn't choose to be attracted to people of the same sex and it is beyond their control, why wouldn't

Paedophile be accepted too since their sexual attraction is beyond their control and they are just that way too ?

This double standard is a grave inconsistency in modern society.

Furthermore, the stigma against Paedophilia is due to our current social norms and somewhat residual from the age of Christian moral repression. Just redo the norms to corrects the stigma as it was done with Homosexuality.

Oh look, an anti homosexuality rant disguised as something else. It's so rare to see them in the wild!
Paedophilia should be no more commonly accepted than rape, since that's what it essentially is. If you can't grasp the difference between rape and sex between two (or more ) consenting adults the already slim hope of a somewhat rational debate on the topic diminishes. Rapidly.

If you call it moral repression that it wasn´t allowed to abuse childs, then I would gladly choose moral repression. And before someone says about lattest case of child abusing in the church: Look at the statistics: Child abusings from atheists are so much more, and the media presses the matter of priests abusing children just because of the rarity value and because they have a grudge against christianity.

I´m catholic, and I don´t have anything against homosexuality - As long as both partners do it willingly. Child abusing is never willingly.

Sadly adults abusing children entrusted in their care can and does happen. Doesn't matter one bit if it's a Catholic priest or an atheist swimming coach. But what sets the scandals in the Catholic Church apart from all other cases I know of, is that it was known (how high up the system this knowledge went is a topic for debate). It was known, and the Church actively worked against local authorities, helped conceal the crimes and did it's utmost to avoid the unwanted publicity involved in bringing the perpetrators to justice.
It's got nothing to do with a grudge against Christianity, it's got to do with an organisation which thinks it's above the law.

[Diamat]

Look at the statistics: Child abusings from atheists are so much more

Show me those statistics. And they better be conducted by a neutral party.

[Primo]

Sadly adults abusing children entrusted in their care can and does happen. Doesn't matter one bit if it's a Catholic priest or an atheist swimming coach. But what sets the scandals in the Catholic Church apart from all other cases I know of, is that it was known (how high up the system this knowledge went is a topic for debate). It was known, and the Church actively worked against local authorities, helped conceal the crimes and did it's utmost to avoid the unwanted publicity involved in bringing the perpetrators to justice.
It's got nothing to do with a grudge against Christianity, it's got to do with an organisation which thinks it's above the law.

The church doesn´t think its above the law. And name any proof the church actually did work against it.

Show me those statistics. And they better be conducted by a neutral party.

1-Minute Research:

135,000 children sexually abused in america.

Less then 200 of them were abused of priests.


One can see how bad the Church compared to the others is.

[Visna]

The church doesn´t think its above the law. And name any proof the church actually did work against it.

The Murpy Report

It concluded that "the Dublin Archdiocese's preoccupations in dealing with cases of child sexual abuse, at least until the mid 1990s, were the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the Church, and the preservation of its assets. All other considerations, including the welfare of children and justice for victims, were subordinated to these priorities. The Archdiocese did not implement its own canon law rules and did its best to avoid any application of the law of the State". The 720-page report said that it has "no doubt that clerical child sexual abuse was covered up" from January 1975 to May 2004. As charted by the Murphy commission, the complaints of parents and their children were ignored and other families placed in immediate danger as prelates from John Charles McQuaid onwards suppressed scandals and took refuge in canon law to protect offenders at the expense of children. Complainants alleged that most uninvolved priests turned a blind eye to their allegations.

It was found that some acts of abuse had taken place inside the Pro-Cathedral, which has been the archiepiscopal seat of the Archbishop of Dublin since 1825.

The Report states at section 1.32: "Another consequence of the obsessive concern with secrecy and the avoidance of scandal was the failure of successive Archbishops and bishops to report complaints to the Gardaí prior to 1996. The Archbishops, bishops and other officials cannot claim that they did not know that child sexual abuse was a crime. As citizens of the State, they have the same obligations as all other citizens to uphold the law and report serious crimes to the authorities."

Well, that was easy.

[Primo]

The Murpy Report



Well, that was easy.

Exactly - And now name a neutral proof. I could find a report that the sun rotates around the earth, from an extreme sect. I actually meant with proof proof of a neutral party.