Hey all just wondering if anyone has a strategy or help and tips for beating the timuruds elephants in open conflict, they just pummel my army then when i do get them. they freak out and pummel my army lol thanks
Libertus
Pesky elephants!!
Hey all just wondering if anyone has a strategy or help and tips for beating the timuruds elephants in open conflict, they just pummel my army then when i do get them. they freak out and pummel my army lol thanks
Ordinarius
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just maybe artillery...
other is difficult
Libertus
Pesky elephants
Yeah i could just bring them into sieges and use my cannon towers but get bored and enjoy going out to meet them
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he meant field artillery like them Serpentines, Basilisks, etc.
Campidoctor
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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229373
Thread/Guide about doing battle with the Mongols & Timmies might be of interest
Libertus
Pesky elephants
Thanks fireright will check it out
Primicerius
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Fire arrows. They're really scary for elephants.
Laetus
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That's right! And with some luck they start a frenzy in their own lines.Originally Posted by J.Philp
Tiro
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One time i used grand bombard against them... xd
Libertus
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Did it work drachos :0)
Libertus
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Going for the known world domination, this would be my first encounter with the Timmies since I usually start a new campaign after victory condition and never meet them normally otherwise.
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BEFORE - Sent my kill squad ahead of the main body to take out their dread lords. Notice the timmie stacks on the far right were all captains. Eventually only the Faction Leader and Heir was left.
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AFTER - Believe it or not this is after only 2 battles. a 3v4 and a 4v4 stackfest. Both manually resolved battles on Hard modded AI. The picture above is the typical AI reinforcement stack I deployed coming in after mine. My stack is 10 HCs + 3 General Bodyguards, Spears and Archers.
The idea was to kill off the dreadlords either using assassins or on the field. Then the elephants. My reinforcements would take on the remaining units. As it turned out my cavalry managed to achieve more than expected and the final friendly reinforcements only had to come in to chase off routers.
Spears and Archers are there to hold the rear and engage the enemy's infantry + horse archers while my cavalry went around the field killing specific targets. Bouncing back and forth between 2 elephant clusters most times charging them before they have time to charge back. A single elephant charge can take out a third of my cavalry unit in a single run so focus on micromanaging was at 100%
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There's 10,000 dead bodies out there if you really counted.
Libertus
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Mate thats awsome never seen a campaign map like thatand it didnt take you long well done kine
Campidoctor
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A repworthy post Kine with good pics
Mongols and Timmies give me the hump with all those horse archers..stand and fight yer cowards.
Libertus
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@ Fireright - you'd like this screenie. My brave and galant Regent finally decided to show up at the field. Just in time to scare off the scattered remains of the once proud Timurid invasion force. I thought it typical of my royals lol. Photoshoped and my desktop background for the month.
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@ Bozzy73uk - Truth is by the time you meet the Timurids you'd have specialised towards a certain direction with your armies. There are alot of good input on which units to use against them but it's unlikely you'd have them on tap the moment they show up.
In my case I went with Arquebusiers and teched up Hospitaller knights to deal with the Italian crossbows on the continent and an unexpected Egyption + Mongol alliance in Asia. The gunmen were ineffective against Timurids and the Knights were too far away in Tripoli / Spain to effectively resupply the eastern front so I had to use what I had which were the faction calvaries and infantries.
From my first encounter with the Timurian invasion, I can say that it isn't the particular unit you use but the combination of units that you can effectively field and how they are deployed. Heavy calvaries do not have a chance in hell to stand up against Elephants unless the enemy general is dead.
So in my case it wasn't the unit I used but instead the absence of their dreadlords and a relatively even playing field when our armies met. Force strenght odds were still 1:2 against but you know - England prevails!
Last edited by Kine; August 27, 2011 at 11:02 AM.
Semisalis
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Lol weird ive won battle's one stack vs 4 plenty of times when they had generals.
Took a tone of micro management but in the end it was just a matter of devide and conquer i lured 2-3 units out of there army them mobbed them on all sides with heavy cavalry broke them in seconds then pulled out again.
I exhausted there men while giving mine rest periods to keep in good condition then ran them into the ground once they were so tired that they broke and ran for it when the first charge hit.
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Campidoctor
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Terrain is also one of the most important things to have when fighting Elephants, Find a good steep hill with a flat top and rocky flanks with only one or two paths in. Place some missiles on the rocky cliffs, and some pikes on the entrance(I reccomend england in the unit mod) As well as another cliff with exploding cannonbolts.
Semisalis
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Why are the Byzzies in York? Also, why is popeface in Nottingham, Edinburgh and Inverness?
Libertus
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I thought it'd funny to have the 2 romans sharing the same Island so I gifted them both there. 12 English cardinals in the CoC too so it fit the RP. Kept London to myself just in case things turned ugly and needed 'arbitration'.
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I have yet to fight the Timurids (Or the mongols, just got the game.)
but when fiddling around in custom battles, I've found spanish Jinetes are effective and cheap.
Semisalis
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The Serpentine is a really good option. I have always used it with Cannons or Basilisks, which blindly blow up the enemy army while the Serpentines act as sniper rifles, easily killing certain units or their general.
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