Best anti-Timurid faction?

[.L.]

IMO it it is england or any faction that can use the "Serpentine" cannon. Englands's longbowfire is best for senning Elephants running amok as well as killing them, but you probably need at least a culverin, and If you get the luck of large hill battle, or position yourself next to some of the turkish mountains,, you WILL win if you assume a smart battle position. A faction with serpentines is also excellent thanks to their faster fire rate. a faction with crossbow's and no serpentine's, basilisks and culverins does nothing against an elephant due to their slow rate of fire, the elephants will most likely penetrate and kill all of your men before you kill enough. When you send them running amok, just continue firing your whatever is my strategy. and the enemy seems VERY unwilling to kill their elephants, so the elephants end up doing more harm than good, a hill is pretty much necessary to kill elephants though otherwise the cannons can decimate your forces.

[Aeratus]

Cannons and longbows are the third best option for killing elephants. You need 2-3 units of cannons or longbows to counter 1 unit of elephant, which is quite inefficient actually.

Second best is the mounted javelin (Boyar's Sons, Jinete, Polish Nobles). 1 unit of mounted Javelin can counter 1 unit of elephant.

First best is a huge mass of elite heavy cavalry with good morale. 1.5 units of elite cavalry can counter 1 unit of elephant, but heavy cavalry works better against non-elephant units than mounted javelinmen.

So based on the above, I'd say Russia.

[.L.]

How would HC work against elephants? also javelin cav have less ammo. And javelin cav is almost useless unless on a flat plain, and would probably be owned by the rest of the timurids stuff like their huge amounts of archers, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

[Aeratus]

How would HC work against elephants? also javelin cav have less ammo. And javelin cav is almost useless unless on a flat plain, and would probably be owned by the rest of the timurids stuff like their huge amounts of archers, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

HC works well against elephants because the AI fails to understand how to use elephants in melee combat.

Elephants are very weak in standstill melee. An elite HC unit like Qapukulu will easily defeat a cannon elephant in standstill melee combat. Try 1v1 Qapukulu vs. cannon elephant in custom battle, and you'll see that you win almost every time.

Elephants can beat cavalry by using their charge, which effectuates the mount crush mechanic against horses just like how horses have a crush mechanic against infantry. Unfortunately, the AI doesn't know how to use the charge command for its elephants.

HC has some morale problems against Elephants (which is why Khwarezmian Mercs are nearly useless against elephants), but this is not an issue if you have good enough morale for your cavalry (so you need elite HC).

Of course, HC is only good if you're going to move forward an attack the Timurids. If you're going to engage in sniping wars with cannons, then HC would be useless.

And javelin cav is almost useless unless on a flat plain

Javelin cav on a hill is quite devasting with the hill bonus against elephants.

Not so hot going uphill of course.

[.L.]

Javelin cav on a hill is quite devasting with the hill bonus against elephants.

Not so hot going uphill of course.

That's what I meant. But whenever I have been in a battle with elephants they seem to charge pretty well actually.

[=Bright=]

Russia. Basilisks, Cossack Musketeers, Dvor Cavarly, Dismounted Dvor, Tsar's Guard.

[.L.]

It was a mod though

[AJenny58]

The best factions for Timurids are any that you can beat the game with before they show up! They aren't so tough when they're off the map. Muahaha

[PrestigeX]

Against Timmies ?

I'd say russia, because by this time in the game the Rus will have all their elite troops - plus their heavy guns.

I like using those Pavise Merc Crossbowmen anytime i face Elephants and am playing as a faction without such units.

[Ishan]

Poland.

[epicnerd]

In a milan campaign i realized trebuchets are also effctive against elephants. i rigged the alps with forts containing at least 3 trebs, set the ammo to flame and enjoy (:

[Primo]

I never had problems with Timurids. Mainly because I mostly beat the game before the Mongols.

[Aeratus]

I never had problems with Timurids. Mainly because I mostly beat the game before the Mongols.

Fighting the Mongols, Timurids and the Aztecs is the highlight of the game, though.

[Primo]

Yeah but if you keep aggresively expanding then you won't enjoy any of the fun of the late game, also don't you ever continue after you finish?

Fighting the Mongols, Timurids and the Aztecs is the highlight of the game, though.

Well, it is not like I am always blitzing, in fact I try to turtle, but I never faced the Timurids in Battle. I once faced the aztecs, but in this campaign the Timurids were ... weak they were killed by an ai faction, without taking any city.

Generally is being through the campaign very fast a bad thing. Don´t listen to all the rushers - you miss the game.

[jukeness]

Fighting the Mongols, Timurids and the Aztecs is the highlight of the game, though.

I think the plague is the highlight.

[.L.]

Yeah but if you keep aggresively expanding then you won't enjoy any of the fun of the late game, also don't you ever continue after you finish?

[Rougeman]

Aztecs

[Aeratus]

When I have 45 provinces, I just complete the game to the Aztecs anyways. I think I had 45 provinces as Russia before the Mongols came, but then I played to around turn 200 and conquered the entire map.

[Mehow80]

Portugal: you put you ships in the straits of Constantinople and let those bastards have the holy land and rot in the desert.

[TWWolfe]

Russia. Horse archers, Jav cav, Heavy Archers, Cannons, heavy cavalry, the best muskets in the game. pretty much a counter for everything the Timurids have.