Historical Primer/Guide

**Ace_General** · August 25, 2011, 05:03 PM

I think the community should come together to provide some basic background on the situation of the roman republic and some information on the politics and international scene at the time. I sort of went into a historical nerd furry when someone proposed to instate conscription so people have an idea whats going on

Also, we should provide more information on the populist/patrican system, the offices of senate, forms of address, and what was happening before the game IRL so we can get deeper immersion

Anyone with historical credintals want to step forward to help me create this type of thing

**Magicman2051** · August 25, 2011, 05:21 PM

I reference, once more, Ulti's comment of "historical accuracy is not the objective/not what we're going for".

And my statement of "IC actions, IC consequences", if you disagree with it, do it IC. Unless it is absolutely ridiculous.

**ulti** · August 25, 2011, 10:55 PM

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and no.

**Pontifex Maximus** · August 25, 2011, 10:59 PM

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting more of an understanding regarding Roman tradition, culture, values etc. That would enrich the game a great deal (such as bowing, nobody bowed to anyone. That would actually be considered a pretty ridiculous thing to do, to bow in front of magistrates) as long as the line is drawn between knowing and understanding the context of the game and trying to recreate Roman history event for event. Yes to some aspects, no to others.

**ulti** · August 25, 2011, 11:07 PM

Fine - but if this turns into something massive I won't be happy. Especially if we start refencing events that happened in history as major debate changers for events which technically didn't happen IG...

**Pontifex Maximus** · August 25, 2011, 11:10 PM

No Sulla, Marius, Grachii, but events/people that lived and happened well before our start date. I take a lot of inspiration from the early Republic, but certainly anything down to Cato the Elder, Greek wars, Punic wars, all aspects of Roman Religion (NEVER CHRISTIANITY, I WILL PUNT YOU) etc is in bounds.

**Lucius Malfoy** · August 25, 2011, 11:26 PM

I am game for this myself. I can offer assistance in areas that need work. It would help enrich this roleplay.

I do believe that once the Republic takes over Judea, we should add the Roman views on Judaism. And other sorts of religions that are integrated into the Republic.

**Aetius** · August 26, 2011, 12:11 AM

Ok my big gripe that is becoming more clear as time passes is that the year is game year is wrong.

Here is the world at 50 bc: http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/ima...-Hem_050bc.jpg

You may notice we don't own Gaul, most of Spain or Syria. The entire geopoltical situation is quite different than what we have now.

Really, according to the start map, the game should have started at 70 bc or around there. The world situation at that time was like this;

We should all agree on something or else it is very poorly defined and confusing, which is becoming evident to me in the East where the differnce between 70 bc and 50 bc is HUGE. We should just pretend we started at 70 bc.

**ulti** · August 26, 2011, 12:18 AM

*AHEM*

This thread is NOT a thread to discuss anything to do historically with the game - the game will be left as it is and is not going to change.

As much as I admire your historical knowledge, this thread is to post anything historically before the time of 150 BC. Anything posted about the time between then and when we started, or any qualms with how we started will be removed. Ponti has already said such stuff is out of bounds, as have I.

**Aetius** · August 26, 2011, 01:54 AM

Well you can pretend to ignore it and have your scary bold green text but it does not resolve the issue.

At the moment there is conflicting information. History is important whether you accept it or not because it creates the setting. We seem to be running a game in 70 bc and pretending its 50 bc which is going to cause chaos once we move our eyes away from the western barbarians. All I ask is that we just change the date to 70 bc and accept a map that I proposed or one similiar.

At the moment I don't even know who runs Pontus, and so cannot properly conduct my business in the East in this game. There is no background and I am basically

ting my way through everything. The simplest solution is to admit you guys chose the start date a little too late and then everything will resolve itself instantly, facts don't lie.

**ulti** · August 26, 2011, 03:03 AM

Mate, that green text was me posting as a game moderator. If you want to ignore that, you can pay the price. I have tried to be civil.

For your information, this is a Role Playing Game (RPG), not a history lesson. As such, we have started and using a system that we have already thought up, and is functioning perfectly. It is only a minority who have a disagreement with the system, thus it does not need changing.

For any information regarding other countries, it can all be found here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=471394 - stances and leaders are there, everything you need.

Others have functioned perfectly in their negotiations with others - moderators play the attitudes and leaders of other countries.

And frankly, it is insulting that rather than applauding his hard work, you constantly pick holes which don't need filling.

So I will say once more - as a game moderator, this:

This thread is for history prior to 140 BC, and not between that period and the start of the game.

**Pontifex Maximus** · August 26, 2011, 07:45 AM

That map will actually be pretty useful as an orienting point so people less versed with the tribal layout will have a sense of what is where.

At the moment there is conflicting information. History is important whether you accept it or not because it creates the setting. We seem to be running a game in 70 bc and pretending its 50 bc which is going to cause chaos once we move our eyes away from the western barbarians. All I ask is that we just change the date to 70 bc and accept a map that I proposed or one similiar.

Its not that important

**Magicman2051** · August 26, 2011, 08:13 AM

Nice map Aetius.

**molonthegreat** · August 26, 2011, 09:33 AM

That map certainly is nice, perhaps we can use it in the Roman Empire map thread?

**Caesar's Heir** · August 26, 2011, 10:11 AM

Ulti2day is trying to say that the game is supposed to take its own course. History can influence some things, like laws, tradition, titles, but not when, where and how to play the game. Overall, history can help, as long as it is so old, that no one can debate it happened. For all we know, in game, Lucius Cornelius Sulla could have been assassinated, by my Grandpa. Whereas with time, history becomes rewritten, so if Romulus was killed by the senate, we were taught he went to meet with the gods.