RTW version 1.5

**ScottishAdam** · August 24, 2011, 12:50 PM

Why is it that any patch, upgrade, mod.. anything what so ever to do with a total war game ends in error after error after issue after error after complication after problem.

For such a great game I have never came across so many issues before and have gave up even attempting to install a mod.

Anyway rant over. I have downloaded update 1.5 as I currently have version 1.3 and when I try and install it I get 'Rome TW has not been detected'.

Can anyone shed some light on his issue. All I want to do is get the latest official RTW update

Cheers

**Zemdu** · August 24, 2011, 01:21 PM

were did you dowload it too?

I put it on my desktop, then moved it to my RTW folder and clicked replace.

you should try the same

**ScottishAdam** · August 24, 2011, 01:58 PM

I got it here http://games.softpedia.com/get/Patch...15-Patch.shtml

What do you mean move it to my total war folder and click replace? It is an installation file and there is no other installation file in my total war folder. Only the usual bi, data, miles, preferences and saves folders.

Thanks

**ScottishAdam** · August 24, 2011, 06:30 PM

Not many people had this issue then?

**magpie** · August 25, 2011, 02:03 AM

Hi Scottish, This may seem a pain, You may have to delete your RTW and reinstall adding the patches with the new install. Seems that you have got some pathway issue,s ?

**ScottishAdam** · August 25, 2011, 03:31 AM

I am in the middle of a great campaign as well

.

If that would solve it I would do it though. I still do not understand what you mean by adding the new patch to the installation?. I don't have any option to do this. The only input I have during an installation is the location I want it installed. The new patch I downloaded is simply another installation file

**Stingray970** · August 25, 2011, 09:18 AM

Why not just save your campaign files first?

**ScottishAdam** · August 25, 2011, 10:48 AM

But I still have no idea how to overcome the error I am having when trying to install version 1.5

**ScottishAdam** · August 26, 2011, 06:54 AM

GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

**OnlySleeping** · August 26, 2011, 07:43 PM

Dude, it's because it's a blimmin' PC games.

This is the reason why PC games will never be as good as home console games.

People LIKE to simply be able to buy the game, put it in their console and have it work straight off the bat, no problems. None of this installing, and finding a folder and PATCHING and all that garbage.

Which brings me to another point - Why do games need Patches? Surely you could just make the game work first time round?

I've tried and failed to install many mods. It's just too complicated. Don't get me started on Stainless Steel.

The only mods I've had success with are smaller mods and of the bigger ones the only one I've had success with is XC because it's really easy to install.

But overall yeah - I wish it were easy to just play the game.

**ScottishAdam** · August 30, 2011, 05:10 AM

I have always had consoles and love them (especially the older ones). PC games are always better in my opinion, games like total war, FPS's etc are always better on PC. You could not even have a decent total war game on a console. The only time consoles are better as far as gameplay is concerned is in football games

**Stingray970** · August 26, 2011, 07:51 PM

You don't think it's easy to play?

Come on, 5 year olds install their own computer games... I would like to think someone 12+ could too. And finding a folder is a problem? It does it for you, unless you want it somewhere else.

Patches are for bug fixing. There are little to no console games that "make it right the first time". Someone will always find a glitch, gamebreaking or not. And then they can't fix them. On computer games, they can fix every error and release a patch so the game plays as it should.

Many mods come with installers, the ones that don't are incredibly easy to install. Surely you can just copy and paste files, right?

And, you can upgrade a computer so a game runs faster. Sure I suppose it's "possible" to upgrade a console. Who would go to that effort, though?

**OnlySleeping** · August 26, 2011, 07:59 PM

I think it's far easier to pop in a cartridge/disc and press "On" than it is to put in a disc... Wait... Install... Wait... Find out you need a patch... Go online... Search... Download... Put it in the right place... Wait some more... Finally get going.

As for games not getting it right first time - if I'm paying up to £40 for a game (or even £50 for some these days

) I fully expect that game to run almost flawlessly throughout without needing "updated" or suchlike.

No need to upgrade your console because they'll release a new one in 5-10 years. I wouldn't like to have the same computer for much longer than say 7-8 years anyway and I'd be getting a new one by then so it's the same sort of position.

Console games are just all round far easier to get going and play.

**Symphony** · August 29, 2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by OnlySleeping

As for games not getting it right first time - if I'm paying up to £40 for a game (or even £50 for some these days

) I fully expect that game to run almost flawlessly throughout without needing "updated" or suchlike.

Well, you're entitled to your expectations, but you should know that your expectations don't match the reality of software development.

Consider:

Operating system quirks, flaws, and regressions that you, as a developer, can't control. Different drivers made for different hardware made by different manufacturers, all with their own quirks that you, as a developer, can't control. User habits on their machines (how often are drivers updated? Are old drivers uninstalled first?) that you, as a developer, can't control. The fact that developers don't test, functional testers don't generally regression test, regression testers generally don't functional test, and none of the three can do the others' job well. The fact that people around a boardroom table tell you when you'll launch your game, ready or not, because the fans expect it by a certain date (and please don't lie and say you don't care if a launch is delayed....we all do), because those board members have a reasonable expectation of proit return on investment.

Zero bugs is a contstantly moving target that everybody tries hard to hit, without ever quite getting it perfect. Anybody who tells you differently is probably a vendor trying to sell you something.

**OnlySleeping** · August 30, 2011, 07:17 PM

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

A lot of your post talks about the variation between different users PC's.

With consoles they are all the same, and so the developer knows exactly what he has got to work with - easier for everyone. And talking to me about delayed launches... One of my favourite games of all time was delayed and delayed for 2+ years

, but I coped and when I got it it was absolutely fantastic and well worth the wait. I'd rather wait and have the thing working out the box.

The problem is that a PC is for doing many different things, and it just so happens that you can play games on them. It is by no means it's main functionality.

A console is straight up designed for gaming. Nothing else. Although these days they're trying to make console jacks-of-all-trades, which I wholly disagree with

**lmgtfy** · August 31, 2011, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by OnlySleeping

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

A lot of your post talks about the variation between different users PC's.

With consoles they are all the same, and so the developer knows exactly what he has got to work with - easier for everyone. And talking to me about delayed launches... One of my favourite games of all time was delayed and delayed for 2+ years

, but I coped and when I got it it was absolutely fantastic and well worth the wait. I'd rather wait and have the thing working out the box.

The problem is that a PC is for doing many different things, and it just so happens that you can play games on them. It is by no means it's main functionality.

A console is straight up designed for gaming. Nothing else. Although these days they're trying to make console jacks-of-all-trades, which I wholly disagree with

Actually CA made a crappy console game too

**Lordquinton** · August 28, 2011, 12:46 AM

You undermined your own argument when you brought Mods into the discussion, as that shuts out consoles completely. You can mod PC games, it is not possible to mod a console game. Plus it would suck to play R:TW on a console.

**Brusilov** · August 31, 2011, 09:05 AM

Well, the one good thing about PC games is that they can usually be modded by the fans and improved. If you doubt that just look at some of the mods that have been released for R:TW and R:TW BI - they cover all periods and even fantasy worlds (Lord of the Rings).

Some publishers have decided that the PC game will be made harder to modifiy - the Total War series has gone this way since Empire: Total War. There are mods out there for E:TW, N2:TW and S2:TW but they don't change the campaign map - which is one of the many resaons why I started to use mods for R:TW back in 2006.....