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    I thought all the theorys about the US government setting up 9/11 were just a load of crap that paranoid people made up to get noticed but all that changed after watching the 2nd edition of 'loose change' (loose change vid (watch in 'orginal size' if you are going to watch)). Even if you dont belive that it was a governemt conspiracy its a good video to watch.

    Now im not sure what to think. After watching the video it does seem that it was all done by the government but i dont know if they would really have had thousands killed just for all that cash they got and the other reasons explained in the vid.

    Only comment if you have watched the whole video please. Ive had enough of my brother thinking im a fool for beliving this when he wont even glance at the video which is showing a lot of proof how it was conspiracy.

    EDIT: Those who believe that it was not a gov. conspiracy, how do you explain how the TT collapsed? Jet fuel burning and weakening the steel? Already covered in the video. Jet fuel doesnt burn at a high enough tempreature to weaken/melt the steel used in the construction of the TT. It would of had to burn at 3000F for several hours. Jet fuel burns at -2000F and on 9/11 the fires did not last several hours.
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    Default Re: What Are Your Thoughts On The 9/11 Government Conspiracy?

    This thread will get locked within 2 hours


    Can I just say now, if we are going to discuss this controversial topic, can people please KEEP IT CALM!!!!!!!!!!!!

    No name calling, no flaming etc (Even if you think the people who dont agree with you are crazy)

    It IS possible to a have a fairly decent debate about this, without it turning into Anarchy


    And westy, I dont need to watch the video, I know the subject matter. I would recommend you take some time to look into it in more detail, but be aware that there is a lot of misinformation out there (from both sides of the argument).

    Personally, I dont believe it was "done" by the US Government, but I think it was allowed to happen by them. (perhaps with a little bit of support from some elements in the intelligence service and Bush administration)
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    its quite simple. the new world order controllers needed a new social cataclysm in america to get the people into a state of voluntary acquiescence for authoritarian legislation at home and the final destruction of our constitution, along with perpetual war abroad.

    If the foregoing scenario is true, we believe the American People, deceived by our own Jesuit/CFR-controlled government, will fall into the trap of fighting a lengthy, large scale Middle East War, resulting in at least six things that will further our country’s demise including the scrapping of our Reformed Protestant Constitution, while thoroughly benefiting the Jesuit Order’s Counter-Reformation. They are:

    1. Worldwide anti-Jewish fury on a grand scale, especially in America, as a result of the Black Pope’s openly agitating, secretly CFR-controlled, Masonic Jewish Zionists and thus, the beloved Jewish People of Israel being blamed for the Papal Caesar’s international Jesuit Crusade;

    2. The destruction of both the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque – blamed on American Military forces – thereby enabling the Pope’s Shriner Freemasons to rebuild Solomon’s Temple, while simultaneously unifying Islamic fury, coordinated and directed by the Black Pope’s Masonic Moslem Intelligence Agencies in conjunction with his Masonic North American Intelligence Agencies, against the “heretic and liberal” American and Canadian Peoples of North America, we having been paganized through the Jesuit Order’s Bible-rejecting and deceptive educational systems, controlled Press and demoralizing theater movies;

    3. The killing of millions of fanatical Moslems who would otherwise attack Israel when the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque are destroyed in Jerusalem, not to mention the possible destruction of Mecca and Medina, further securing the peace of the Papal Caesar’s Zionist government of Israel. That false peace will be maintained by the united European nations, their unity brought about by the Club of Rome in the person of the Spanish Knight of Malta and Commander of NATO forces during the bombing mass-murder of Orthodox Serbs in Yugoslavia, JAVIER SOLANA. These united, predominantly Roman Catholic, European nations will compose the Pope’s revived Holy Roman Empire, the new “Sword of the Church”. At this time the Black Pope will have no more need for the drugged, exhausted, bankrupt, amalgamated and demoralized American People of his “Holy Roman” Fourteenth Amendment American Empire;

    4. The tyranny of a White American fascist military dictator having arisen out of the “New Right” Republican Party due to anarchy giving way to a race war as a result of Negro and Hispanic rioting in our major cities coordinated by the Black Pope’s Masonically-led and racist Black army of the Nation of Islam. He will use America’s existing concentration camp system to kill millions of Jews, “heretics and liberals” pursuant to the Jesuits’ evil Council of Trent – just as Hitler “the Austrian” and homosexual drug addict destroyed apostate Protestant Germany with the help of FDR's USAF and Churchill's RAF - further justifying our nation's destruction;

    5. The betrayal and defeat of our armies fighting a two-front war which we cannot win, one in the Middle East and the other possibly in the Far East against China, just as Napoleon betrayed his army in Russia in 1812, and just like Hitler betrayed his army in Russia one hundred and thirty years later, both treasonous dictators having been under orders from the advisors of the Black Pope;

    6. Massive invasion and attack into North America, China and Russia storming the West Coast while China and a united Moslem host march into the Southeast Coast, known as “the Bible belt”, using the Bahamas and Cuba as staging bases. Our Jesuit-controlled leaders carrying out the nation’s immigration policies, in establishing a huge resident “fifth column” of Chinese, Moslem, Hindu and Hispanic aliens within our borders, have betrayed us Americans. The heart-breaking result will be the subjugation of the last apostate bastion of the Protestant Reformation and will compel Europe to unite reviving the old Holy Roman Empire – under the Papal Caesar.
    this I believe is the gist of it

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    ^^^

    this sort of stuff doesn't help keep the thread open dude!

    lets just concentrate on the actual attacks, and not the New World Order implications
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    hey im just sharing information friend

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    Novusordo. Actually I mean there was a very long thread recently on the same topic.

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    Thats fine with me, but you got to remember that some people arent ready for that sort of information, and because of that, arguments happen, leading to the thread getting locked!

    There is no reason why this thread should get locked, as long as people dont start getting rowdy. (Like i said though, i give it 2 hours before lockage)


    Quote Originally Posted by Garbarsardar
    Novusordo. Actually I mean there was a very long thread recently on the same topic.
    Which got locked!!


    and who's Novusordo?
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    i dont see why this should get locked. Im just another person seeking the truth behind the events of the 11th of september 2001. What would be great is if someone made a video just like loose change but on how it was a terroist act and not a conspiracy so we could compare the two and draw conclusions.

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    novusordo was a member that bit every troll that came along and got banned eventually.

    apparently he's seen as some type of novelty of TWC because he liked to discuss interdimensional shapeshifting reptillian blood-drinkers from the draconian system and planet niburu. however not everything can be passed off as crazy like that, it's simple for people to focus on that and ignore all of the other factual, documented things he discussed

    you can find his old threads they are all locked though because of certain members incessantly trolling

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    They didnt need to make a video, the have FOX News to play that story a million times a day!

    Anyway, the thread gets locked because its a difficult subject, which people on both sides feel very strongly about. This sometimes leads to it getting personal.

    Here's a link to the last page of the other "9/11 conspiracy" thread, which was mentioned above

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...&page=17&pp=20


    apparently he's seen as some type of novelty of TWC because he liked to discuss interdimensional shapeshifting reptillian blood-drinkers from the draconian system and planet niburu. however not everything can be passed off as crazy like that, it's simple for people to focus on that and ignore all of the other factual, documented things he discussed
    David Icke!!?? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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    The simplest answer is the most likely.

    Which is simpler - 1) that a bunch of terrorists who hate America for meddling in Middle Eastern politics crashed a few planes into some tall buildings, or 2) that the government plotted to fly two military cargo jets into the WTC buildings, then detonating various bombs inside the building which were placed there without anyone noticing, while conveniently making the several hundred people aboard the commercial jets which supposedly flew into the WTC disappear, then shooting a missile at its own military headquarters and blaming it on another commercial flight (whose occupants also disappeared), then crashing a jet into the ground in Pennsylvania, all so that the American people will go along with Bush's plans to invade Iraq.

    Hmmmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    The simplest answer is the most likely.

    Which is simpler - 1) that a bunch of terrorists who hate America for meddling in Middle Eastern politics crashed a few planes into some tall buildings, or 2) that the government plotted to fly two military cargo jets into the WTC buildings, then detonating various bombs inside the building which were placed there without anyone noticing, while conveniently making the several hundred people aboard the commercial jets which supposedly flew into the WTC disappear, then shooting a missile at its own military headquarters and blaming it on another commercial flight (whose occupants also disappeared), then crashing a jet into the ground in Pennsylvania, all so that the American people will go along with Bush's plans to invade Iraq.

    Hmmmmm...
    exactly. When looking for a suspect, the culprit is usually the most obvious person, in this case, Osama (and no, Saddam had nothing to do with it :disgust ).
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    Why does it have to be that complicated to be a conspiracy? Why would it be so difficult for a small element in the US government to have instigated this, using Al Qaida, to get what they've been advocating for years?
    I think 9/11 happened as we saw it. (A little unsure about the pentagon though, and Flight 93), but behind the scenes there was a lot more going on.

    A conspiracy, if you will.......
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    Occam's razor in action I see. But the question is, what is Al-Q's motive? I mean, Osama was pally with the US once...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    Occam's razor in action I see. But the question is, what is Al-Q's motive? I mean, Osama was pally with the US once...
    Noriega too.
    But seriously Osama was a pal because the Soviets were the common enemy. With the bear out of the way, Israel was the perrenial target. And US is supporting Isral...ergo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbarsardar
    Noriega too.
    But seriously Osama was a pal because the Soviets were the common enemy. With the bear out of the way, Israel was the perrenial target. And US is supporting Isral...ergo...
    Yes, but the real matter is without continued US funding through arms companies and similar he would be bankrupt years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    Yes, but the real matter is without continued US funding through arms companies and similar he would be bankrupt years ago...

    not necessarily. His family is/was quite rich (I wouldn't be surpised if someone in the family sympthizes with him). That and he has supporters abroad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    Occam's razor in action I see. But the question is, what is Al-Q's motive? I mean, Osama was pally with the US once...
    Wasnt a pal, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...the enemy now gone its time to move onto the next 'enemy' ie an entity seen as meddling in your homelands for decades. So motivation is simple, Bin Laden and his kind unable to defeat the Russians without help get help from the Americans, the Russians defeated still leaves the Americans meddling in the region (and supporting Israel to boot) and its time to remove them.

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    as said..its not a government conspiracy, for starters the media would have completely pwned the government by now if it was.

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    Given the monetary exchanges between the two I'd say they have to be pretty pally; also to get his family out the country after 9/11.

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