Is the world giving Israel a (figurative) blank check?

[.L.]

Is the world going a bit too easy on Israel? The "retaliation" attacks Israel makes cost way more civilian deaths than the initial rocket attacks,the death toll is 250 Palestinians for every Israeli, and have any of you seen the pictures of the mangled Palestinian kids? Israel attacks with VERY disproportionate retribution but the world just stands by.

[Exarch]

Israel is the homeland of the Chosen People, therefore they're allowed to do whatever they need to do, because God's will is translated through them

[.L.]

You ARE joking right?

[hellheaven1987]

Pray Iran would sell nukes to Hamas then.

[Basil II the B.S]

Sad to say, but sort of. Unfortunately the Western world is paralyzed by decades of self-hate because of WW2. And the rest is too weak to do anything about anything.

[boofhead]

You should see what Australia would do if a certain northern neighbour attacked.

Israel does use restraint.

[Exarch]

You should see what Australia would do if a certain northern neighbour attacked.

Israel does use restraint.

if indonesia attacked us, i can assure you everyone in the asia pacific region would be clamouring to our aid

[Stark of Winterfell]

So Locke, what do you think Israel should do when attacked? Should it do nothing? Should it make its own crappy rockets so that it can return fire inaccurately and ineffectively? Randomly fire machine guns across the border? Send small hit squads to randomly shoot Palestinians in the streets? One of the problems of the Palestinians is that they attempt to fight a vastly technologically superior opponent. Maybe, if the people who insist on using violent means to fight Israel cared about their people, they wouldn't pick a fight with a modern nation by shooting bottle rockets at it and then get offended and appalled when Israel responds with its own advanced weapons.

[Yosemite]

So Locke, what do you think Israel should do when attacked? Should it do nothing? Should it make its own crappy rockets so that it can return fire inaccurately and ineffectively? Randomly fire machine guns across the border? Send small hit squads to randomly shoot Palestinians in the streets? One of the problems of the Palestinians is that they attempt to fight a vastly technologically superior opponent. Maybe, if the people who insist on using violent means to fight Israel cared about their people, they wouldn't pick a fight with a modern nation by shooting bottle rockets at it and then get offended and appalled when Israel responds with its own advanced weapons.

and just let the illegal colonization going on

[.L.]

So Locke, what do you think Israel should do when attacked? Should it do nothing? Should it make its own crappy rockets so that it can return fire inaccurately and ineffectively? Randomly fire machine guns across the border? Send small hit squads to randomly shoot Palestinians in the streets? One of the problems of the Palestinians is that they attempt to fight a vastly technologically superior opponent. Maybe, if the people who insist on using violent means to fight Israel cared about their people, they wouldn't pick a fight with a modern nation by shooting bottle rockets at it and then get offended and appalled when Israel responds with its own advanced weapons.

So what should they just flatten Gaza? And they stuck to the ceasefire for a while but Israel blamed any atacks on HAMAS. What do you think Israel should do commit mass-murder? Oh wait....

[Ancient Aliens]

So what should they just flatten Gaza? And they stuck to the ceasefire for a while but Israel blamed any atacks on HAMAS. What do you think they should do commit mass-murder? Oh wait....

What?

and just let the illegal colonization going on

Illegal to whom? I certainly hope you aren't refering to the U.N. here.

[Thema'zandaar]

One of the problems of the Palestinians is that they attempt to fight a vastly technologically superior opponent.

Yes, I'm sure that's the biggest problem Palestinians are faced with. Not the fact that a vastly technologically superior opponent has kicked them out of their homes and is now trying to push them out into the sea.

You want a real answer about what Israel should do? Israel should stop building illegal settlements. It should stop blockading Gaza. It should stop being an arrogant prick and come to the negotiating table with reasonable demands and willingness to compromise. Oh, and it should stop kicking its own Arab citizens out of their ancestral homes to make way for extremist Jews imported from Russia.

An oppressive state inevitably has to deal with terrorism at some point. Oppression is far worse than terrorism. Terrorism instills fear. Oppression strips away a person's desire to continue living.

I respect Isreal.

They take most of the from the east that would otherwise have been on us.

Your..."respect"... for Israel is the reason why "the east" would want to pound you to a pulp.

Illegal to whom? I certainly hope you aren't refering to the U.N. here.

I certainly hope you aren't implying that Israel is above the law here.

[Ancient Aliens]

I certainly hope you aren't implying that Israel is above the law here.

Again, above what law? I certainly hope you aren't implying that any nation actually pays heed to the opinions (yes, opinions) of the UN. It's a toothless lion, and Israel shouldn't give a what it says.

[eran]

Yes, I'm sure that's the biggest problem Palestinians are faced with. Not the fact that a vastly technologically superior opponent has kicked them out of their homes and is now trying to push them out into the sea.

You want a real answer about what Israel should do? Israel should stop building illegal settlements. It should stop blockading Gaza. It should stop being an arrogant prick and come to the negotiating table with reasonable demands and willingness to compromise.

And that will surly stop the attacks on Israel.

[Mr. Scott]

Yes, I'm sure that's the biggest problem Palestinians are faced with. Not the fact that a vastly technologically superior opponent has kicked them out of their homes and is now trying to push them out into the sea.

You want a real answer about what Israel should do? Israel should stop building illegal settlements. It should stop blockading Gaza. It should stop being an arrogant prick and come to the negotiating table with reasonable demands and willingness to compromise. Oh, and it should stop kicking its own Arab citizens out of their ancestral homes to make way for extremist Jews imported from Russia.

An oppressive state inevitably has to deal with terrorism at some point. Oppression is far worse than terrorism. Terrorism instills fear. Oppression strips away a person's desire to continue living.


Your..."respect"... for Israel is the reason why "the east" would want to pound you to a pulp.



I certainly hope you aren't implying that Israel is above the law here.

Ask yourself. Who first tried to push who into the sea?
This Palestinians started this mess and now that they're on the losing side, want to call it quits and go back to pre 1967 borders.
Well tough cookie. It'd be like the Japanese wanting to call it quits after Midway or the Confederates wanting to call it quits after Gettysburg.

[Rome101]

and that makes illegal colonization okay then

what a wonderful logic

The wonderful logic lies in your inability to realize that this so-called "colonization" is not, in fact, illegal.
Immoral? You could say that, since morality is a subjective thing.
An obstacle for peace? You could say that, and I, as well the UN, would agree with you here.
Unlawful or illegal? No.
Because for an act to be illegal, you first need a law that states clearly it is prohibited to perform said act.
Yeah, the UN advises against it. But as Ancient Aliens stated, that's just their opinion. There are no laws or rules that say a country cannot construct buildings in its own territories.

Yes, I'm sure that's the biggest problem Palestinians are faced with. Not the fact that a vastly technologically superior opponent has kicked them out of their homes and is now trying to push them out into the sea.

To be fair, back at 48', it's the Arabs who were at a technological advantage, with air forces and armored divisions and British and Russian weapons. The Israelis used lesser Czech muskets. The Arabs had AKs.

You want a real answer about what Israel should do? Israel should stop building illegal settlements.

Do you believe that will stop the Palestinians from attacking Israel?

It should stop blockading Gaza.

Gaza is not under a blockade, not any more.

It should stop being an arrogant prick

Hamas should stop being a crazed civilian-killing terrorist.

and come to the negotiating table with reasonable demands and willingness to compromise.

Last 3 times Israel offered the Palestinians to come to the negotiating table, their only demand was that the Palestinians acknowledge Israel's right to live in peace and security. What an unreasonable demand, these arrogant bastards them!

Oh, and it should stop kicking its own Arab citizens out of their ancestral homes to make way for extremist Jews imported from Russia.

So many wrongs here that this almost sounds logical.
Israel is not kicking it's own Arab citizens out of their homes, unless they don't pay rent. You know, like any other citizen anywhere else in the world will, if he doesn't pay rent.
The Arabs who ARE being kicked aren't even registered as owners of the houses, so basically you can't ever prove it's their "ancestral" homes. And what do you call "ancestral"? Because the Jews were here a "bit" before the Palestinians did, you know... so according to your logic, the Jews shouldn't have been kicked out of here in the first place.
Now, Russian Jews are not at all extremists. Of course, there might be exceptions, but the Russian communities that came from Russia (because they were driven out by pogroms and oppression, mind you, not because the Israeli economy needed "moar jews"... they weren't "imported", they aren't a product) are mostly secular with a minority of traditional Jews. The zealous religious groups nearly exclusively stayed in Russia, because according to their ass-backwards religious beliefs, Israel is a sin (because it's not super-Heridic), and they don't like the idea of living in a sin.

An oppressive state inevitably has to deal with terrorism at some point.

Except Israel is not an oppressive state. Arabs get here more social and human rights than they get in any other Arab country.

[.L.]

You should see what Australia would do if a certain northern neighbour attacked.

Israel does use restraint.

No just no, most people who think they need restraint want Palestine destroyed. I've read Haaretz comments and I think my answer is pretty valid.

[nce_wht_guy]

You should see what Australia would do if a certain northern neighbour attacked.

Israel does use restraint.

New Guinea?

[Simon Cashmere]

You should see what Australia would do if a certain northern neighbour attacked.

Israel does use restraint.

If someone fired rockets into the suburbs where I lived, pretty much daily..and the Army was doing nothing - it would be really hard not to want to do something privately.

HAMAS uses civilians as shields. It hides weapons in mosques and hospitals and near schools. It wants Israel to fire back and hit civilians so it can say 'See the evil murderous Jews killed more civilians' when they deliberately fight the war to maximise the risk of civilian casualties. HAMAS can easily manipulate sympathetic westerners with the victimhood narrative, but HAMAS would be well quick to chop off the head of any infidel that fell into its orbit. HAMAS is a totalitarian Islamic group that proudly shows its support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Its constitution is committed to the principles of jihad and the destruction of Israel. Why anyone supports HAMAS in the name of human rights astounds me.

It is very hard to fight a war where your enemy has no rules to play by, and you must play by every rule and more. Israel needs to go in and take out the command and control of HAMAS completely, and maybe replace it back with Al Fatah. Israel takes a lot of care, more care than any defence force on the planet, because it knows a far stricter standard is applied to it by the Leftist press.

In wars people die. Sometimes the wrong people die. That can never be prevented. If the IDF were into wanton killing, Gaza would just be smoking rubble now.

[Berbers of the Riffian]

If someone fired rockets into the suburbs where I lived, pretty much daily..and the Army was doing nothing - it would be really hard not to want to do something privately.

HAMAS uses civilians as shields. It hides weapons in mosques and hospitals and near schools. It wants Israel to fire back and hit civilians so it can say 'See the evil murderous Jews killed more civilians' when they deliberately fight the war to maximise the risk of civilian casualties. HAMAS can easily manipulate sympathetic westerners with the victimhood narrative, but HAMAS would be well quick to chop off the head of any infidel that fell into its orbit. HAMAS is a totalitarian Islamic group that proudly shows its support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Its constitution is committed to the principles of jihad and the destruction of Israel. Why anyone supports HAMAS in the name of human rights astounds me.

It is very hard to fight a war where your enemy has no rules to play by, and you must play by every rule and more. Israel needs to go in and take out the command and control of HAMAS completely, and maybe replace it back with Al Fatah. Israel takes a lot of care, more care than any defence force on the planet, because it knows a far stricter standard is applied to it by the Leftist press.

In wars people die. Sometimes the wrong people die. That can never be prevented. If the IDF were into wanton killing, Gaza would just be smoking rubble now.

Whats wrong with the muslim brotherhood? clearly you hate middle eastern people being islamic and not western.