What's this threat from China?

[lemondude]

I'm chinese (here in NA on Business a few month every year) and i can honestly say the wrold has nothing to fear from China. China was a power in the world for much of human history and nothing bad happened. It was only the Qing dynasty that hated science that made the country weak, that and conservative attitude, corruption, and no understanding of the world. (Though weirdly enough, this was not because of religion)


The europeans has terriorized the world, since the days of Rome on the other hand. Constant war with the middle east, between themselves, and after WW2, Americans are now invading people in the name of justice.

Don't give me any justifications, please like terror or 9/11, I'm sure the fourth crusade didn't start by the pope saving the crusade is for gold and not God.


Fast forward to now, China's military especially naval spending is making its neighbors nervous, when the US has been running Carriers and what not there since the end of WW2.

This is like saying you are scared of a peaceful elephant while siting next to a man eating lion.


Lastly I will say this, being Chinese i will say i may be biased so if anyone says i am I will accept it.

[In3x]

Tibet

[Romanos IV]

You think the world thinks China is a (quasi-)superpower because of its navy and future carriers? It's nothing to do with this and it would be naive for anyone to think otherwise. And please, your generalisations are childy to say the least.

Also, China could make itself look better if it hadn't take the stance it took in the North Korea War, the Vietnam War -and let's not forget the Chinese civil war and its attrocities.

[The excited one]

You think the world thinks China is a (quasi-)superpower because of its navy and future carriers? It's nothing to do with this and it would be naive for anyone to think otherwise. And please, your generalisations are childy to say the least.

Also, China could make itself look better if it hadn't take the stance it took in the North Korea War, the Vietnam War -and let's not forget the Chinese civil war and its attrocities.

don't forget the tiananmen "incident" as well as the great leap "forward" as well as the cultural "revolution" and corruption recently......

[Doge Domenico]

Elephants are actually more lethal than lions, as a male elephant in musk will charge on sight, while a lion generally won't go after a human unless it's starving. Nature has taught them that you don't go after an apex predator, because there is no energetic value.

Anyways, no one really thinks china is a superpower, we just need a new enemy to make movies off now that the soviet union collapsed. I mean, cod can only use russians as enemies for so long

[Thorn777]

Its the 2$ plastic sandals man, that scare us. Not your replica military.

[lemondude]

Its the 2$ plastic sandals man, that scare us. Not your replica military.

I never got this, so you spent a few bucks on something that cost 10 times that from a big company and you are surprised that it breaks?

Have you heard you get what you pay for? if you want good stuff you can try the good brands from china that cost 20-30 times more and see if it's still bad quality. Though i will admit, the Italian brands are better

[Thorn777]

No, thats not scary about them.

[Basil II the B.S]

I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.

[Coal143]

There is always a nemesis

Tibet

Mexico.

Also, China could make itself look better if it hadn't take the stance it took in the North Korea War, the Vietnam War -and let's not forget the Chinese civil war and its attrocities.

So, choosing a side opposite to American interests makes it evil?

@OP: That's a lovely party line you've got there.

heh...heh...heh

[In3x]

Mexico.

Where do you think I am from? As far as I know my country has never been involved with Mexico.

So, choosing a side opposite to American interests makes it evil?

No, choosing the side of the aggressors and committing war crimes makes it evil.

[killervomit2]

Where do you think I am from? As far as I know my country has never been involved with Mexico.

i know this is from page one but come on, the mexican american war was one of the most unjust and lopsided wars of all time

[Vanoi]

i know this is from page one but come on, the mexican american war was one of the most unjust and lopsided wars of all time

Un-just? Mexico threatened the US with war if the US annxed Texas. The US annxed Texas and Mexico broke-off diplomatic relations. Texas at the time the US annxed it claimed the Rio Grande boundry. The US enforced that claim and sent sodlier ot the Rio Grande to prevent any invasion form Mexico. Mexico asked the US to withdraw to the Nueces River in Texas. The US said no, claiming the Rio Grande was their territory. US forces than made a makeshift fort called Fort Brown. Mexican forces under General Mariano Arista then prepared for war. Then on April 25 1846 a 2000-strong calvary detahcment a 70-man US patrol, killing 16 US soldiers. President Polk recieved the word of this incident, called the Thornton Affair, and thought is was justfication enough to declare war.

Mexico brought the war on themseleves. They could have kept some of their territory like New Mexico, but they just had to attack US soldiers. Its their fault they lost everything.

[killervomit2]

Un-just? Mexico threatened the US with war if the US annxed Texas. The US annxed Texas and Mexico broke-off diplomatic relations. Texas at the time the US annxed it claimed the Rio Grande boundry. The US enforced that claim and sent sodlier ot the Rio Grande to prevent any invasion form Mexico. Mexico asked the US to withdraw to the Nueces River in Texas. The US said no, claiming the Rio Grande was their territory. US forces than made a makeshift fort called Fort Brown. Mexican forces under General Mariano Arista then prepared for war. Then on April 25 1846 a 2000-strong calvary detahcment a 70-man US patrol, killing 16 US soldiers. President Polk recieved the word of this incident, called the Thornton Affair, and thought is was justfication enough to declare war.

Mexico brought the war on themseleves. They could have kept some of their territory like New Mexico, but they just had to attack US soldiers. Its their fault they lost everything.

the original post said that 'as far as I know, the U.S. was never involved in mexico"
I just wanted to point out that it most certainly was

[Mr. Scott]

There is always a nemesis

Mexico.

So, choosing a side opposite to American interests makes it evil?


heh...heh...heh

You act as though all opinions are good ones.

My opinion is that we shouldn't kill babies. This other guys opinion is that we should.

His opinion is bad.
You should always consider other opinions, but some opinions are simply bad. There's no sugarcoating it.

USA, we want to hold off authoritarian communism and unite Korea under a democratic banner (of which most koreans wanted). China says, no we don't want a free, democratic, prosperous korean state on our border and would rather have a dirt poor, authoritarian state there.

Also @ Mexico.
I don't recall there being more Chinese in Tibet, than tibetans. Compare that to the Mexican northwest. Which, btw, was only tied to Mexico by name only.

China is growing more powerful, there's little denying.

I'm not fearing a military takeover, I fear their expanding economy and population will be the biggest threat, whereas the west is weakening in both aspects.

In my opinion, they're worse than the Soviets.

Their economy is far far away from ever overtaking the US or the West.

Their population is going to stagnate and possibly decline in the distant future. Compare that to the US.

[Dr Zoidberg]

@OP: That's a lovely party line you've got there.

[nameless]

I'm chinese (here in NA on Business a few month every year) and i can honestly say the wrold has nothing to fear from China. China was a power in the world for much of human history and nothing bad happened. It was only the Qing dynasty that hated science that made the country weak, that and conservative attitude, corruption, and no understanding of the world. (Though weirdly enough, this was not because of religion)

That's because China's different and people don't like others who are different from there. Simple as that. Most countries are great because of democracy, China became great without going down the democractic path (And for the record when they tried democracy that drew China into a warlordism) and without external help from anyone else.

The west has always been the principal power that controls things and now there's this new kid on the block that does things his own way so to them that's a threat.

There is always a nemesis

There's always a yin to a yang

Also, China could make itself look better if it hadn't take the stance it took in the North Korea War, the Vietnam War -and let's not forget the Chinese civil war and its attrocities.

yes let's forget that nearly over a century ago a man sent half a million people to their deaths just to preserve the Union that would be known as America and we all know there were no atrocities committed there.

And if I recall correctly it was because MacArthur refused to listen to the president that the Chinese got involved in the war in order to protect themselves and that the North Vietnamese were backed up mainly by the Soviet Union.

Let's also forget all the atrocities and humiliations the West imposed on China during the Colonial age.

[Basil II the B.S]

Let's also forget all the atrocities and humiliations the West imposed on China during the Colonial age.

Indeed. Let's not forget the Opium wars. That was the British right?
And the open door policy? The US. Ah, those Anglo-Saxons, it's always them. It's time for them to repay the damage done.

[Babur]

That's because China's different and people don't like others who are different from there. Simple as that. Most countries are great because of democracy, China became great without going down the democractic path (And for the record when they tried democracy that drew China into a warlordism) and without external help from anyone else.

that's pretty much the CCP party line

The west has always been the principal power that controls things and now there's this new kid on the block that does things his own way so to them that's a threat.

The world will be multipolar, I don't see what is wrong with that

yes let's forget that nearly over a century ago a man sent half a million people to their deaths just to preserve the Union that would be known as America and we all know there were no atrocities committed there.

and how is that relevant?

And if I recall correctly it was because MacArthur refused to listen to the president that the Chinese got involved in the war in order to protect themselves and that the North Vietnamese were backed up mainly by the Soviet Union.

MacArthur is dead, Vietnam and the US are now building strategic ties

Let's also forget all the atrocities and humiliations the West imposed on China during the Colonial age.

a victim mentality does not excuse the atrocities and humiliations inflicted on the China during the height of Maoism

[hellheaven1987]

Well, what the neighbours of China fear about China is quite different than what US is feared (or more correctly, "worried") about China.