Poor Carthage

[DarthShizNit]

Poor little Carthage, my favorite faction of any of the TW series, is always quickly and humiliatingly deystroyed in vanilla RTW when Im not playing as it . Anyone ever had carthage actually live? Any mods that up Carhtages chacnes of survival?

[DonRaphael]

In my campaign, Numidia managed to cripple them :/

[DarthShizNit]

well thats just sad lol, I've seen that happen before as well

[Punic Hoplite]

In my personal mod I get them to survive a long time if they manage to ally with the Seleucids. If not, they don't make it past 225 BC at most. Then again, I've made it so the Seleucids regularly come out on top (since the Egyptians have no more battle buggies and Sidon)

[empr guy]

In most big mods carthage doesn't get stuck with utter crap early units so it does survive longer, I have only ever seen them live in vanilla when they took out numidia early and then scipii didn't invade for some reason. They got kicked out of spain though and I think they lost both islands, but they never died...

[Magmaniac]

I think Carthage usually does well in XC (if it doesn't get rushed by rome early.)

[dude21862004]

I'm playing as Carthage right now and it doesn't surprise me that they get destroyed first almost every game. Their infantry and missile units are just utter crap, lol. I haven't gotten to the phalanx units yet, though. Not to mention their positioning at the start is just awkward, with too many settlements to run on your income, and too spread out.

Right now my fighting strategy is 1 or 2 units of elephants + a bunch of cavalry and 1 or 2 units of infantry for sieges and sapping. It's actually working out really well, too bad elephants cost so much to train and upkeep :/. I also allowed the settlement in Spain revolt, and brought those units in to defend the islands. I'm only a few dozen turns in, but I've pushed hard into Roman territory and destroyed Scipii and the SPQR already, with the Julii and Numidia coming up next.

[Primo]

Poor little Carthage, my favorite faction of any of the TW series, is always quickly and humiliatingly deystroyed in vanilla RTW when Im not playing as it . Anyone ever had carthage actually live? Any mods that up Carhtages chacnes of survival?

Never had that problem. But you can go to DATA/WORLD/MAPS/CAMPAIGN/IMPERIAL_CAMPAIGN/DESCR_STRAT.txt
Search for Carthage till you find this:

faction    carthage, balanced smith
denari    70000
settlement

Add this in and the ai won´t have a problem. But if you play as Carthage, you should change it back, or it would be extremely easy.

[DarthShizNit]

Oh primo you dirty cheat you . As for dude, 1 unit of elephants against early roman military will win you basically every battle lol, that and longsheild calvary charging the roman line where it was hit by elephants. Libyian spearmen are actually a decent unit, good for defense, and balearic slingers are just wow lol. And their phalanz troops are on par with your usual greek counterparts, therefor pretty darn capable against the romans. I myself have simply kicked the scippi off of scicily (it was actually a long and brutal campagin lol) and have simply locked down rome with my navy (this has screwed the brutti who's greek colonies are now cut off and bein gowned by my macedonian ally). Meanwhile I've turned my attetion to conquring spain and gonna use that extra income to take out the numidians lol

[Primo]

Oh primo you dirty cheat you . As for dude, 1 unit of elephants against early roman military will win you basically every battle lol, that and longsheild calvary charging the roman line where it was hit by elephants. Libyian spearmen are actually a decent unit, good for defense, and balearic slingers are just wow lol. And their phalanz troops are on par with your usual greek counterparts, therefor pretty darn capable against the romans. I myself have simply kicked the scippi off of scicily (it was actually a long and brutal campagin lol) and have simply locked down rome with my navy (this has screwed the brutti who's greek colonies are now cut off and bein gowned by my macedonian ally). Meanwhile I've turned my attetion to conquring spain and gonna use that extra income to take out the numidians lol

Hmm? Why is it called cheating if you give the enemy money?

[lmgtfy]

the problem is AI factions autoresolve. light infantry don't do well in autoresolve. there is a mod that gives Carthage bit of a helping hand without changing too much
:http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...exander-Reborn

[Primo]

the problem is AI factions autoresolve. light infantry don't do well in autoresolve. there is a mod that gives Carthage bit of a helping hand without changing too much
:http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...exander-Reborn

This changes quite alot, I think. I think my method should suffice to make Carthage kicking Ass.

[lmgtfy]

giving AI more money never solves anything in tw games. most hard mods have to spawn garrisons unit stacks etc give hiden bonuses.

[Stingray970]

Just to let you know, I'm entirely with you on this one. But, I simply can't resist.

Grammar Nazi. Here it is, stupid:
Looking at your profile shows nothing at all, and looking at my profile shows a mod in progress which I am a member of and various threads in the Workshop regarding modding to which I posted. If you say something, you better make sure it's true, or at least no one can see your lie - In such a thing, which can easily be proved wrong, to lie is a bad thing.

And autocalculation is so miserable, an urban cohort could loose against a bunch of peasants. The mod you posted can´t do anything about that, either.

Anyway, what do you know about modding?

[Hader]

Stay on topic and be nice people

[Stingray970]

How much would it increase the strength of it?

We want it to be stronger, but not to dominate all other AI factions.

How high should we increase it?

[Primo]

How much would it increase the strength of it?

We want it to be stronger, but not to dominate all other AI factions.

How high should we increase it?

1-2 points. 15 are allowed, but then this unit could possibly conquer the world without losses. The number assigns secondary hitpoints; these just count in auto calculation. It is, however, just really usable if you want to make a faction stronger in auto calc or making a unit class weaker - like Cavalry.

[DarthShizNit]

How much would it increase the strength of it?

We want it to be stronger, but not to dominate all other AI factions.

How high should we increase it?

psh ill start as parthia and by the time i work my way west, if i don't find a massive carthagian empire all the way up to denmark ill be displeased, so ill put it at 15

[Primo]

psh ill start as parthia and by the time i work my way west, if i don't find a massive carthagian empire all the way up to denmark ill be displeased, so ill put it at 15

Note that this just affects one unit at the moment. But I still think giving Carthage the money bost helps alot.

[Basil II the B.S]

Generally, playing as Macedons, Scipii prefers focusing on me rather than Carthage, therefore they are quite safe until later on I decide to take them down, although Spain takes Corduba half of the time. Numidia is very often too weak to do any damage.