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[Luciano B]

Dont get me wrong guys but i think the greek helmets need some work. Except the pylos, boiotian and one attic. Im sure that many people wont agree but i think the greek factions are not as impresive as the other ones. Especially the celtic/italians which are very very good. Its not that they are bad but they are just.. ok. The shield blazons would need some more color they are too neutral. Plus that the muscled cuirasses didnt used soulder pads as linothorax. They were bound with hinges or a small metalic strap as we see in later years (after pelloponesian/helenistic years)

The mod seems very promisingand very interesting. Im sure you are bored of OMG useless posts so i thought to point out some things that would need afew improvements (as i see it offcourse)

cheers

I'm very happy to have the chance to explain the reasons of our choices, glad to see that there's somebody interested in such details.

First of all, don't forget that the equipment reproduced in our units is not related to the Greek "classic" age, but to the early and mid Hellenistic age.

The muscle cuirass with shoulder pads was indeed a Greek innovation introduced in the 4th century, becoming very popular during the Hellenistic age among the officers, the heavy cavalrymen and the elite infantry. the Italians retained instead the old fashioned muscle cuirass without shoulder pieces for a longer time, until the Romans introduced that feature in a later time when they adopted the Hellenistc officers panoply.

I think that your other doubts concern the helmets of the Syracusan units. We reproduced some of the almost infinite number of variations of the "Thracian" style helmets which spreaded in the whole Hellenistic world; a peculiarity of those "hybrid" helmets is the intermixing of features related to different styles, mainly from "Thracian","Attic" and "Chalcidian" types. Another example of "hybrid" helmet is the one used for our Italiote light cavalryman, basically a "Pilos" type with a metal brim drafted from the "Beotian" model; this kind of helmet is commonly associated with the Tarentine cavalry, since it is often depicted in those pieces of Italiote pottery which display cavalrymen.

About your objection about the un-colored shields I think that you mean the Italiote white shields. Well, ancient writers (maybe Polybios, I don't remember exactly) used the definition of "leucaspis phalanx" related to the Tarentine trops; it means " the phalanx with white shields", so we assumed that white could be a good base color for the Italiote shields.

Thanks again.

[Dav the Hun]

Good god! FANTASTIC!
Great work again. Salut for the team.

[tammuz]

really nice preview, nice skins and, best of all, great introduction to all the factions

[Candelarius]

This is definately my number 1 most anticipated mod! Love the previews and the history. Thanks guys!

[chalpur]

Nice work guys, really great, continue the good work........ until the final release.

[Candelarius]

I thought the Barca family symbol was a black scorpion on a white field?

[Last Roman]

very nice work

[imthefrgt10]

you guys freakin rock, looks pretty sweet

[ultor]

I don't know how damn i can post picture (but i can mail you if you want) anyway i just post some reference:
www.archaeometry.org/cdz.htm
Hannibal army, Carthage against Rome, from Carlos Canales, ANDREA PRESS

See you!

[The Black Reaper]

use photobucket or imageshack....

here are the links....

imageshack: http://imageshack.us/

photobucket: http://photobucket.com/

[GershomPatmos]

Wow! These are some of the best skins and shades I've seen for any RTW mod since it has been released! You know...that's the one thing I hate about some skinning projects...they turn out to be 1-dimensional, especially with colors...but you guys have turned it up a notch! Kudos!!!
Gersh

[Lord Rahl]

Ssssssshaweet!

I gotta get RTW back on my computer so I can get this mod!

[Luciano B]

Thanks a lot for so warm encuragements.
I'm really glad that our mod still has so many supporters.

[Saint-Germain]

You bet it does!

Please make it come out soon...

[Leão magno]

Nice work! Congratulations! Tough I do not understand Poeni faction without Carthage, I understand why you did it but it still sounds strange, just a bit more than the participation of Iberians in Poeni armies in that period.

[Luciano B]

Nice work! Congratulations! Tough I do not understand Poeni faction without Carthage, I understand why you did it but it still sounds strange, just a bit more than the participation of Iberians in Poeni armies in that period.

The Iberians fought actually as mercenaries in most early Carthaginian armies but in rather small numbers, recruited by the the Phoenician colonies on the Iberian coast; Iberian troops are reported in Sicily during the wars of the 4th century BC, although the majority of Carthaginian mercenaries were African, Ligurian, Sardinian, Etruscan and Campanian. later the Iberians were recruited in very large numbers, when Carthage's direct dominion in Spain was enlarged after the first Punic war.

[Demokritos]

I concur in the acclaim for this mod: the artistic work is simply amazing! Some talent there! You guys really knows how to build up an anticipation for the release of your game!

Just one Q: are the Punic noble heavy infantry and cavalry to be understood as their historical Sacred Band units?

[Luciano B]

I concur in the acclaim for this mod: the artistic work is simply amazing! Some talent there! You guys really knows how to build up an anticipation for the release of your game!

Just one Q: are the Punic noble heavy infantry and cavalry to be understood as their historical Sacred Band units?

Thanks a lot Demokritus.

About the Punic noble infantry and cavalry, they eventually formed the so called "sacred band", but since this formation is mentioned referring only to some particular historical events, we use a more generic definition.

[Pontifexus Maximus]

A piece of advice for an etruscan settlement : Veii(Etruscan town, about 30 km north-west form Rome) was an important settlement during Roman-Etruscan struggles.

Edit : My appology! I haven't noticed, when the timeline of this mod begins. Veii, was destroyed by Camillus in 396 BC

[Luciano B]

...no problem, don't worry

We consolidated the territory of Veii with the one of Caerae, with the latter town as the "capital" of the Roman-controlled Etruria.