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    Let's set the scene:

    It's a dark, dimly lit room. A large, amorphous blob is sitting on a fancy coach. His features are muddled, yet distinct to our individual eyes. No two people see the same thing. A massive TV is in front of the couch, in front of a table piled high with snacks and a remote.

    The TV turns on. All that we know explodes outwards from the center. The Big Bang, we call it. Galaxies expand, stars are formed, the universe stirs with life. For the next 10 minutes, the show is primarily composed of the galaxies swirling through space, their stars living in dying to the strains of an unearthly melody. The blob on the couch appears to grow bored, sipping from his third beer.

    Then the scene shifts to a orange-red marble in front of a yellow star. Earth, we call this place now. The planet cools, the oceans appear. Life begins. The epoch of the dinosaurs comes and goes. The era of man begins, and eventually ends.

    It is currently 14 minutes into the show, and it's still going on. The history of the universe is compressed into those 14 minutes for the blob, 14 billion years to us. For the past 10 seconds, our species has lived and died from its earliest beginnings. Civilizations rose and fell, wars were won and lost. The blob on the couch laughs at the humor, oohs at the special effects, sobs at the sadness, but does nothing. In 16 minutes, the show will end. The TV will be turned off. The universe, as we know it, will be collapsed into itself. The blob will stand up and leave.
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    I came up with this metaphor to describe the relationship that we claim to have with the entity called God, based on the evidence we have. We are God's Soap Opera. We are a distraction, nothing further.

    This thread is not about deism, or atheism, or whether or not God exists. This is about whether or not this kind of God deserves to be worshiped. Present your facts to the contrary, but I want hard proof about God's direct involvement in our universe and lives (short of currently unanswerable questions -- you know what those are) that actually has positive benefits.
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    Sounds like a good plot for an episode of Twilight Zone but aside from that you don't seem to be making much of a point here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CamilleBonparte View Post
    Sounds like a good plot for an episode of Twilight Zone but aside from that you don't seem to be making much of a point here.
    My point is that this is how God appears to interact with our world. He watches, if he does anything. How does such a being deserve worship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    My point is that this is how God appears to interact with our world.
    You're forgetting the point when he leaped into the show and had himself killed so the sins of humanity could be forgiven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    You're forgetting the point when he leaped into the show and had himself killed so the sins of humanity could be forgiven.
    I don't consider Jesus to be the son of god, so no.

    More or less, this is the only way I could rationalize God's existence to myself before I became an atheist. I was just posting it to get it off my mind and see if anyone had comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    I don't consider Jesus to be the son of god, so no.

    More or less, this is the only way I could rationalize God's existence to myself before I became an atheist. I was just posting it to get it off my mind and see if anyone had comments.
    Could you rationalize "morphogenic fields" organizing templates that weave through time and space and hold the patterns for all structures and the nonlocal simultaneous everywhere and everything matrix of the quantum hologram?
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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    My point is that this is how God appears to interact with our world. He watches, if he does anything. How does such a being deserve worship?

    God only appears this way to some. Some see him in everything and always working. This metaphor relies entirely on your beliefs on God.

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    This literally only makes "sense" if you presuppose God is not omniscient, nor active in our lives. There is literally nothing to discuss in reference to the metaphor, as it only works from that existing perspective....
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    A deistic God just sits there watching it, else he goes off and does something else. But that isn't really theism that's atheism lite. Deism was popular before Darwin stuck his oar in as the design of all living things still gave the traditional God something to do. Now all he can really do is design the universe itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    Let's set the scene:

    It's a dark, dimly lit room. A large, amorphous blob is sitting on a fancy coach. His features are muddled, yet distinct to our individual eyes. No two people see the same thing. A massive TV is in front of the couch, in front of a table piled high with snacks and a remote.

    The TV turns on. All that we know explodes outwards from the center. The Big Bang, we call it. Galaxies expand, stars are formed, the universe stirs with life. For the next 10 minutes, the show is primarily composed of the galaxies swirling through space, their stars living in dying to the strains of an unearthly melody. The blob on the couch appears to grow bored, sipping from his third beer.

    Then the scene shifts to a orange-red marble in front of a yellow star. Earth, we call this place now. The planet cools, the oceans appear. Life begins. The epoch of the dinosaurs comes and goes. The era of man begins, and eventually ends.

    It is currently 14 minutes into the show, and it's still going on. The history of the universe is compressed into those 14 minutes for the blob, 14 billion years to us. For the past 10 seconds, our species has lived and died from its earliest beginnings. Civilizations rose and fell, wars were won and lost. The blob on the couch laughs at the humor, oohs at the special effects, sobs at the sadness, but does nothing. In 16 minutes, the show will end. The TV will be turned off. The universe, as we know it, will be collapsed into itself. The blob will stand up and leave.
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    I came up with this metaphor to describe the relationship that we claim to have with the entity called God, based on the evidence we have. We are God's Soap Opera. We are a distraction, nothing further.

    This thread is not about deism, or atheism, or whether or not God exists. This is about whether or not this kind of God deserves to be worshiped. Present your facts to the contrary, but I want hard proof about God's direct involvement in our universe and lives (short of currently unanswerable questions -- you know what those are) that actually has positive benefits.
    He's more like a lazy director (who only instructs "andom" members of the cast) than an observer.
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    Thanks for the laugh, anyway. Reminded me of this movie:


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    I was thinking Jabba the Hutt.




    Ok so that version of God doesn't seem to exist we can put him to rest I guess. If we're being sensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    I was thinking Jabba the Hutt.
    Except for that Jabba's not a blob, he's a slug. Blob-like, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    Let's set the scene:

    It's a dark, dimly lit room. A large, amorphous blob is sitting on a fancy coach. His features are muddled, yet distinct to our individual eyes. No two people see the same thing. A massive TV is in front of the couch, in front of a table piled high with snacks and a remote.

    The TV turns on. All that we know explodes outwards from the center. The Big Bang, we call it. Galaxies expand, stars are formed, the universe stirs with life. For the next 10 minutes, the show is primarily composed of the galaxies swirling through space, their stars living in dying to the strains of an unearthly melody. The blob on the couch appears to grow bored, sipping from his third beer.

    Then the scene shifts to a orange-red marble in front of a yellow star. Earth, we call this place now. The planet cools, the oceans appear. Life begins. The epoch of the dinosaurs comes and goes. The era of man begins, and eventually ends.

    It is currently 14 minutes into the show, and it's still going on. The history of the universe is compressed into those 14 minutes for the blob, 14 billion years to us. For the past 10 seconds, our species has lived and died from its earliest beginnings. Civilizations rose and fell, wars were won and lost. The blob on the couch laughs at the humor, oohs at the special effects, sobs at the sadness, but does nothing. In 16 minutes, the show will end. The TV will be turned off. The universe, as we know it, will be collapsed into itself. The blob will stand up and leave.
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    I came up with this metaphor to describe the relationship that we claim to have with the entity called God, based on the evidence we have. We are God's Soap Opera. We are a distraction, nothing further.

    This thread is not about deism, or atheism, or whether or not God exists. This is about whether or not this kind of God deserves to be worshiped. Present your facts to the contrary, but I want hard proof about God's direct involvement in our universe and lives (short of currently unanswerable questions -- you know what those are) that actually has positive benefits.
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