I know what you're hankering after, some scientific evidence for the afterlife

[Helm]

Note I said evidence rather than concrete proof, but its interesting though.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

Mind you existing forever without a body would be weird, but you can expect weirdness either way.

[Denny Crane!]

That isn't evidence.

[Helm]

That isn't evidence.

Its evidence you can ignore if you like. By rights you shouldn't be able to experience anything when you're effectively dead as she was at that point.

You're not you without a body, not only are you something else, you are someone else by definition.

You'll have the same consciousness or whatever it is, its probably some kind of a rebirth cycle would be my guess. There may some kind of progression up to some kind of fully eternal form.

[Himster]

You're not you without a body, not only are you something else, you are someone else by definition.

[Denny Crane!]

Just isn't evidence sorry. Random account posted on a web page unverified, unreproducable, not evidence.

[Helm]

Just isn't evidence sorry. Random account posted on a web page unverified, unreproducable, not evidence.

There are quite a few NDE stories like this and they all share certain aspects in common. Though she was probably the longest anyone has been clinically dead so therefore the most interesting of all the stories. It explains the whole procedure of the operation in some there so it seems legit. She could have just made it up but then she did describe what happening to her during the operation, and that's another fairly common aspect of those kinds of experiences. So its evidence but not proof.

[Gordon Freynman]

Great, I'll go inform the producers of Monster Quest that eye witness accounts can be considered scientific evidence now. I'm sure they'll be thrilled.

EDIT: Just saw an alien peeking through my window, so now I have scientific evidence for the existence of aliens, checkmate theologists.

[Ancient Aliens]

Helm...I'm not quite sure what to say, but this is beneath you.

He's been writing this sort of crap for weeks.

EDIT: Just saw an alien peeking through my window, so now I have scientific evidence for the existence of aliens, checkmate theologists.

I almost died and all I didn't see any strings. This clearly refutes string theory.

[Denny Crane!]

There are quite a few NDE stories like this and they all share certain aspects in common. Though she was probably the longest anyone has been clinically dead so therefore the most interesting of all the stories. It explains the whole procedure of the operation in some there so it seems legit. She could have just made it up but then she did describe what happening to her during the operation, and that's another fairly common aspect of those kinds of experiences. So its evidence but not proof.

Oh stories!

No that isn't evidence.

[Helm]

Oh stories!

No that isn't evidence.

Its a story that did actually happen though, you're feating your eyes the operational procedure right there. If she made it up she at least managed to guess well, why she would particularly want to make it up I don't know. But certainly the whole tunnel of light thing is accepted as scientific fact, it can even be induced in a lab.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Yo so I was at Karma the other day creepin' and crawlin' and doin body shots and this dude comes up to me and starts talkin' about my tan and I was like Bro you wanna get your ass beat and then I creeped on his girlfriend and he shot me and I like totally died, and bro let me tell you it was DOPE there was spray tanners growing on trees and there were NO GRENADES in sight, nothing but honeys and then Howard Stern came up to me and said "Hey now, Kim Kardashian wants to say hi to you," and I was just like Yeahhh but then I came back to life after Cookie poured her ice tea on my crotch

So yeah bro thres my evidence for the afterlife.

[Denny Crane!]

Show me the evidence of reproducability.

[Helm]

Ok I'll give you the video where Pen and Teller try to debunk it. I don't feel they convincing quite manage it though. I'm not actually surprised that you can replicate the same effect in a centrifuge under extreme G when all the blood is withdrawn from your brain. Oh and they pick on nuts of course, someone thinks there dog has been reincarnated as the their new dog but that's a strawman.

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[Exarch]

my idea of paradise is not some crappy garden forever singing the praises of some inferiority complex deity;

no, my idea of paradise is being served champagne by a scantily clad nymph whilst lying back and enjoying the sun on my face and emma watson giving me head.
beat that.

[Vagn]

We're ignoring the actual evidence here, we've been testing people to see if they can see something hidden from them normally from a hospital bed when they claim to have had a near-death experience/out of body experience, not once have they managed to say, despite claiming they had seen it. Ergo there's no evidence for it. The author of the piece is also a medical doctor (a cardiologist), not a research scientist and a born-again Christian, he has an inherent bias in his work to show that the afterlife exists so we have to question the validity of his work.

[Helm]

no, my idea of paradise is being served champagne by a scantily clad nymph whilst lying back and enjoying the sun on my face and emma watson giving me head.
beat that.

That's pretty much what it says the afterlife will be in the Quran. I think it would be some kind of flipping weird carrying on though myself.

We're ignoring the actual evidence here, we've been testing people to see if they can see something hidden from them normally from a hospital bed when they claim to have had a near-death experience/out of body experience, not once have they managed to say, despite claiming they had seen it. Ergo there's no evidence for it. The author of the piece is also a medical doctor (a cardiologist), not a research scientist and a born-again Christian, he has an inherent bias in his work to show that the afterlife exists so we have to question the validity of his work.

Christians don't tend to like NDEs as everyone seems to have much the same experience regardless of their religion.

I'll have a look into my Tibetan Book of the Dead to see if they're mentioned in there that should be interesting.

[Col. Tartleton]

my idea of paradise is not some crappy garden forever singing the praises of some inferiority complex deity;

no, my idea of paradise is being served champagne by a scantily clad nymph whilst lying back and enjoying the sun on my face and emma watson giving me head.
beat that.

Dude that's hell, and it's way better down there. Kind of cold in the winter and humid in the summer, but I'm used to it. You're literally knuckles deep 25/8. But you've got to be cool with the voyeurs. They're harmless perverted devils that like to watch. Mostly from Italy.

[Amorphos]

Imho if the brain records anything it is not dead, if it didn’t then you wouldn’t be able to say what you saw.

The afterlife is described many ways by many cultures and they cant all be right, if there is one and I am sure there’s something, then by definition you wont be able to record it or bring back ideas of it. …you have to be dead, completely and utterly dead as dead can get before you know what afterlife is.

[Helm]

Imho if the brain records anything it is not dead, if it didn’t then you wouldn’t be able to say what you saw.

This is the intermediate state not the full monty of course, after a certain point you're not coming back. Though some people have claimed to remember past lives, seeing as would have had an entirely different brain to the one they're currently using right now I dunno how that would work but a slightly different subject.

The afterlife is described many ways by many cultures and they cant all be right, if there is one and I am sure there’s something, then by definition you wont be able to record it or bring back ideas of it. …you have to be dead, completely and utterly dead as dead can get before you know what afterlife is.

I'm assuming the afterlife or the unborn state or whatever it is would defy human imagination to describe it so there would need to be cultural interpretation. Muslims and some Christians believe the afterlife would be a physical resurrection in the same body, its technically possible but there's no way to know.

[Amorphos]

This is the intermidate state not the full death of course. Though some people have claimed to remember past lives, seeing as would have had an entirely different brain to the one they're currently using right now I dunno how that would work but a slightly different subject.

Ya I was stating the obvious reply I usually get, actually it is the consciousness which is the only thing that can see colour [as it doesn’t physically exist] and experience anything. As knowledge is partly in the experience then consciousness can know when it is outside of the brain [hence so potentially can someone experiencing OBE]. The big question as ever is if consciousness is material or not ~ even though it can perceive the immaterial [like colour, info etc].

I'm assuming the afterlife or the unborn state or whatever it is would defy human imagination to describe it so there would need to be cultural interpretation. Muslims and some Christians believe the afterlife would be a physical resurrection in the same body, its technically possible but there's no way to know.

Ya we’d probably just see what we expected as it is the mind which builds the world and hence it would need time to learn about its new environment. Now think on how long it takes a newborn to learn this environment.

physical resurrection is implausible ~ an overcrowded planet which keeps breading endlessly etc, there are so many problems with the idea that god would have to recreate a new world* and possibly a new reality. Then when you think about it, that’s what the otherworld* is!


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