What is your late field army?

[Judeman266]

I've just reached the 16th century in my late campaign (H/VH, Savage AI, RR/RC on, and Permanent Watchtowers) and the strongest factions are the Seljuks/Ottomans, France, Fatimids, Novgorod, and me(Leon and Castille). I was playing turtle until 1350 except to counter any superpowers from getting too strong. I'm still updating my armies in Spain but my army in Italy is
1 general
3 arquebusiers
3 tercio pikemen
4 sword and buckler men
2 chivalric foot knights
2 halberd men-at-arms
2 gendarmes
3 culverin.
I have never been defeated w/ this army even with 4-1 odds. I would like to know what army everyone else is using or has used in the early 1500's if everyone hasn't beaten their campaigns by then and what battlefield tactics you use.

[Mr Kriegtooth]

As the Holy Roman Empire, I go with

3 Burgher Pikemen
3 Dismounted Gothic Knights/Zweihande(I mix it up)
3 Dismounted Imperial Knights
4 Arquebusiers
2 Gothic Knights
2 Reiters
2 Cannons
1 General

[Judeman266]

Nice but don't you think landsknechts are better than Burghers even with the increased price tag? Plus u can move with a smaller army and recruit them in the field before a battle.

[Dadestroyer]

I play as mongols and I spam horse archers and lancers. Anyways winning heroic victories.

[Mr Kriegtooth]

I usually dont have that much luck to get enough Landsknechts, but yeah, they are better.

[Judeman266]

But Dade if Im talking in the 1500s when most troops are well armoured, so horse archery is much less effective. On a crusade I defeated multiple Timurid stacks because I had better armoured troops than they did.

[Ichon]

Gunpowder protected by heavy infantry with a bit of heavy cavalry... easiest way to win in late era is to break the morale just like in earlier eras. It is just more necessary when cavalry is more vulnerable to infantry and the heavy armor and high defense skills of late infantry make killing loads with archers or cavalry less effective at the same time. Gunpowder to lower morale, cavalry to flank or kill enemy general. Doesn't vary much from faction to faction except how easy it is to get the necessary units in enough numbers.

[Gogolometro]

Man, I not reach that age since PB RR-RC mod, just before 6.3/6.4 release. I will play again gladly if PB release the new submod.

[ImperialAquila]

As France

1 General
3 Lancers
2 Gendarmes
4 Pikemen units
2 Swiss mercenary units (If I'm not lucky enough, I usually go for more Pikemen to fill this)
2 Scots Guard (This depends upon the enemy. At times I use extra Musketeers, Arquebusiers, or Pistoleers)
2 Gunpowder units (Musketeers or Arquebusiers)
2 Cannons

As England

1 General
5 Lancers
4 Pikemen units
2 Longbow units (Pistoleers most of the time)
4 Musketeers or Arquebusiers
2 Cannons
2 Extra slots for mercenaries (Or it's just more Pikemen)

As HRE

1 General
3 Imperial Knights
2 Gothic Knights
4 Pikemen units
2 Burgher Pikemen (Landsknechts or 2 more Pikemen)
2 Swiss mercenary units (Or Landsknechts or 2 more Pikemen)
2 Dismounted Gothic Knights (But most of the time these are Arquebusiers)
2 Arquebusiers
2 Cannons

[Judeman266]

I would say ur HRE army is the strongest James. By lancers for the English, do you mean Demi-Lancers?

[ImperialAquila]

@Judeman266

Yes. The demi lancers.

[Judeman266]

@James

I like the demi-lancers for their charge but they are probably the worst late cavalry in melee and are only useful for flank charges and and attacks on isolated infantry units.

[ImperialAquila]

That's exactly why I use them. With my English army, if I have pistoleers (They work like RTW's Javelin Cavalry), I use them to isolate some of the enemy's units (Usually their cavalry take the bait and I just lead them into a line of Pikes, if it's infantry, I use the 3 Demi-Lancers to mop up.). The other 2 would be used for an Alexander-like tactic to hit the enemy's rear while pinning them with my Pikemen.

[Judeman266]

I do like their effectiveness for their relative cheapness. I do understand now why you have 5. It's just that in my case I haven't used pistoliers yet, so I need extra heavy infantry to deal with the French lancers after my pikemen take the brunt of the charge. I've found that it's mandatory to mix in some sort of halberd units when dealing with armoured horses.

[Dadestroyer]

@ Judemen 266
doesn't matter, because my arrows will blot out the sun and y'all troops will be percolated chess.
Then I send out my mongol bad ass lancers.

[Judeman266]

@ Dadestroyer

Your arrows are ineffective versus my troops who are all wearing plate armour. My arquebusiers and cannons will make mincemeat of your HAs and I will impale your lancers on pikes and break the backs of your horses with halberds. All will kneel before the King of all Spains, of Portugal, of Castile, Aragon, León, Navarre, King of Two Sicilies, Sardinia, of Morocco, of Fez, of Algiers, of Tunis, Count of Flanders, and Archduke of Austria. I also am de facto Holy Roman Emperor.

[Dadestroyer]

@judeman266

My elite mongol guard archers and mongol horse archers will encircle your formation in a very loose formation to avoid your cannon fire and gun fire.
I will take out your poorly armored gunners( well gunners don't wear plate armor) first and kill all of your cannon crews.
If you try to charge in with your cumbersome knights and mounted gunners, my HAs will simply surround and kill your pathetic cavalry.After you lose your precious cavalry,you would form a giant box to avoid getting flanked. Then my Has could fire over your box and hit the guys on the back side and kill your general in the box. Then when you lose your general and have your lines weakened, I will charge in with my guard lancers to break the line and route all of your dudes in a double envelope attack.

Or I can add in some of my awesome rocket launchers and blast your army in the box, killing your general and unleashing lot of carnage.

I am the shah of persia, czar of russia, sultan of egypt, sultan of turkey, caliph of north africa, king of greece, poland, hungary, and kaiser of germany. My empire is huge and strong and our arrows will blot out the sun.

[Judeman266]

My elite mongol guard archers and mongol horse archers will encircle your formation in a very loose formation to avoid your cannon fire and gun fire. I will take out your poorly armored gunners( well gunners don't wear plate armor) first and kill all of your cannon crews.

Maybe you have never played or faced Spanish Arquebusiers? They wear a steel breastplate with mail underneath. Handgunners also wear plate armor. I also would protect my artillery with halberdiers in full plate armor which are deadly against Mongols and other cavalry.

If you try to charge in with your cumbersome knights and mounted gunners, my HAs will simply surround and kill your pathetic cavalry.

Late armored gendarmes who wear gothic armor are anything but pathetic. Mongol arrows are ineffective versus late lancers.

After you lose your precious cavalry,you would form a giant box to avoid getting flanked. Then my Has could fire over your box and hit the guys on the back side and kill your general in the box. Then when you lose your general and have your lines weakened, I will charge in with my guard lancers to break the line and route all of your dudes in a double envelope attack.

As stated above, I would not lose my cavalry, but for the sake of argument I'll allow it. Your horse archers would have to expend all of their arrows to do significant damage to my army, as every soldier in my army wears plate armor besides the cannon crews. Also, no Mongol army will break armored tercio pikemen, supported by halberdiers, arquebusiers, artillery and knights.

Or I can add in some of my awesome rocket launchers and blast your army in the box, killing your general and unleashing lot of carnage.

Cannons have much better range and accuracy than rocket launchers. I'm pretty sure I could destroy your launchers before they got within range.

I am the shah of persia, czar of russia, sultan of egypt, sultan of turkey, caliph of north africa, king of greece, poland, hungary, and kaiser of germany. My empire is huge and strong and our arrows will blot out the sun.

Your empire is huge not necessarily strong. I agree your arrows will blot out the sun, but they will not penetrate our armor.

I suggest you play multiple factions and explore SS 6.4 a little more before making the assumptions you made. Seeing that you have not explained the specifics of your army, I can only assume that this is indicative of your hubris.

Give specifics of your army to stay on topic.

[Caesar Clivus]

I think you guys should fire up a multiplayer battle and settle this mano-a-mano

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

I think you guys should fire up a multiplayer battle and settle this mano-a-mano

That's the attitude XD