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    Default How to turn into Arnor ?

    Hi I was wondering if someone could help me. I've recently started playing this mod (brilliant mod BTW) and I'm a bit stuck. Basically I'm playing as the faction that turns into the Arnor, problem is I can't figure out how to turn in to the Arnor.

    I've read the message on Elendilmir and it says to take over from Tharabad to Ettenmoors and from the Shire to Mitheitel. To rebuild the house of kings in Annuminas and to get an alliance with gondor. I've taken over the area around the Shire and Tharabad but I don't know where Ettenmoors or Mitheitel is. Also I have an alliance with Gondor but I don't see any options to build the house of kings in Annuminas.



    That's what I've taken over so far if someone could point me at the settlements I need to take over. Or anything else I need to do it would be much appreciated.

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    You'll need Hoarwell and I believe Gram. If you want to make sure, put the cursor over the map and it will show you the province names. Also, Annúminas needs to be a large city before you can build the House of Kings.

    edit: That is quite a bit of money you have there
    Last edited by FC Groningen; August 14, 2011 at 06:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FC Groningen View Post
    You'll need Hoarwell and I believe Gram. If you want to make sure, put the cursor over the map and it will show you the province names. Also, Annúminas needs to be a large city before you can build the House of Kings.

    edit: That is quite a bit of money you have there
    Thanks for the info ill give that a try now

    lol as for the money yeah I'm cheating like mad. I always do that the first couple of goes until I've sussed out the game (units/buildings/tactics).

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    Its your choice obviously. I wouldn't trust on getting familiar with the game however. You always seem to make different choices when you have that amount of money. With that kind of money, you could bribe any incoming army to prevent a fight you rather avoid. Also, you won't learn to deal with replacing your losses, the importance of developing your economy early on and to deal with incoming stacks with only a few armies since you can't afford more.

    I can provide you with some tips for Arnor maybe:

    - Do NOT take Hoarwell, as tempting as it might be. Both Orc factions will go for it and you'll be in war with both of them very fast if you try. Develop your economy by investing in roads first and then farms. Make sure you'll have good ties with both the elves, but especially the Dwarves. In some campaigns, the Dwarves will attempt to attack either you or the elves and in that case, you will be screwed. If you secure an alliance with them, they will automatically go after both Orc factions.

    Now you need to make a choice; Will you take on Isengard first, or both Orc factions? Eventually, both Orc factions will attempt to attack you, but it might take them, lets say, 50 turns sometimes if you do not provoke them into war. Also, as long as the high elves keep Imladris, they will divide their powers and won't go full scale on you. Especially the Orc of Gundabad will eventually get penned in between you, the Dwarves and the high elves if you manage to Keep rivendell in the hands of the high elves. If you take them on, secure alliances with the Silvan Elves and Dale as well. Most of the times, I believe most family members of Orcs of the Misty Mountains remain in their settlements or go east of the mountains. The Orcs of Gundabad however, only have a few family members to start with. Take them out if have the opportunity. With a bit of luck, you can make the faction go rogue before they can become a real pain. The capital Gram is relatively easy to capture and usually holds a family member.

    If you take on Isengard, you must be very careful on your eastern front. If you see a fullstack moving for one of your settlements, it will be war soon. Hold the orc factions off as long as you can. Trade rights will prevent it somewhat and help the high elves keep Rivendell again. You can't send any armies their way, but you can send them some money. Secure an alliance with Rohan and Gondor fast. Ignore all settlements of Isengard; A lot of them have a garrison script and aren't worth a lot. Just go right for the throat on this one and siege Isengard itself. There are plenty of rivers near; Send in a supporting army that can cover the rear of the one that will besiege Isengard. Have it stand on the bridge and all you have to do is hold out until the settlement falls. Once they lose Isengard, it should be easy. If the war drags on, it will hurt your ties with the Orc factions badly by the way, so it pays of to be quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FC Groningen View Post
    Its your choice obviously. I wouldn't trust on getting familiar with the game however. You always seem to make different choices when you have that amount of money. With that kind of money, you could bribe any incoming army to prevent a fight you rather avoid. Also, you won't learn to deal with replacing your losses, the importance of developing your economy early on and to deal with incoming stacks with only a few armies since you can't afford more.

    I can provide you with some tips for Arnor maybe:

    - Do NOT take Hoarwell, as tempting as it might be. Both Orc factions will go for it and you'll be in war with both of them very fast if you try. Develop your economy by investing in roads first and then farms. Make sure you'll have good ties with both the elves, but especially the Dwarves. In some campaigns, the Dwarves will attempt to attack either you or the elves and in that case, you will be screwed. If you secure an alliance with them, they will automatically go after both Orc factions.

    Now you need to make a choice; Will you take on Isengard first, or both Orc factions? Eventually, both Orc factions will attempt to attack you, but it might take them, lets say, 50 turns sometimes if you do not provoke them into war. Also, as long as the high elves keep Imladris, they will divide their powers and won't go full scale on you. Especially the Orc of Gundabad will eventually get penned in between you, the Dwarves and the high elves if you manage to Keep rivendell in the hands of the high elves. If you take them on, secure alliances with the Silvan Elves and Dale as well. Most of the times, I believe most family members of Orcs of the Misty Mountains remain in their settlements or go east of the mountains. The Orcs of Gundabad however, only have a few family members to start with. Take them out if have the opportunity. With a bit of luck, you can make the faction go rogue before they can become a real pain. The capital Gram is relatively easy to capture and usually holds a family member.

    If you take on Isengard, you must be very careful on your eastern front. If you see a fullstack moving for one of your settlements, it will be war soon. Hold the orc factions off as long as you can. Trade rights will prevent it somewhat and help the high elves keep Rivendell again. You can't send any armies their way, but you can send them some money. Secure an alliance with Rohan and Gondor fast. Ignore all settlements of Isengard; A lot of them have a garrison script and aren't worth a lot. Just go right for the throat on this one and siege Isengard itself. There are plenty of rivers near; Send in a supporting army that can cover the rear of the one that will besiege Isengard. Have it stand on the bridge and all you have to do is hold out until the settlement falls. Once they lose Isengard, it should be easy. If the war drags on, it will hurt your ties with the Orc factions badly by the way, so it pays of to be quick.
    Thanks for all the advice its much appreciated.

    If your intrested I'm actually Arnor now and kicking arse. Just to balance things out though a bit I gave Mordor and its allies that are still live 40 million each and the stack spam heading my way from the latest jihad/crusade is truly epic.

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    I played 3 successful Eriador/Anor campaigns already and I have no idea what 'FC Groningen' is talking about.

    Gundabad will attack Fornost within 10 turns or so. I always muster an army at the very start of the game, taking all the extra garrisons with me, and within a few turns march to the North to blitzkrieg Gundabad with an army of 16 units or so, including 2-3 generals. Hoarwell is usually my first target. You can exterminate OoG pretty quickly, just make sure you send small groups of reinforcements to the North from time to time if you can afford it. Don't worry about standing in the red, your successful campaign will eventually pay off majorly. Doing it this way will also not give OoG the chance to attack Fornost.

    OoMM will attack Hoarwell and/or Staddle quite a bit later. Ignore them if they attack Hoarwell, place a tower East from Staddle so you can spot them in time. Keep the garrison of Staddle low, then they'll also attack with a few units. Once you spot them you can reinforce Staddle from neighbouring settlements.

    In short, your very first goal should be the destruction of the faction of Gundabad. Ignore rebel settlements, ignore the lack of cash due to your army, just kill them off ASAP. Then the Northern front is secure and you can focus on OoMM and after that Isengard.

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    Both Orc factions will go for it and you'll be in war with both of them very fast if you try.

    Eriador starts at war with those factions anyway.

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodly View Post
    Both Orc factions will go for it and you'll be in war with both of them very fast if you try.

    Eriador starts at war with those factions anyway.
    Really? Can't remember they do. Maybe its submod related? Else i remembered wrong. In that case, just go for the family members of OoG.

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    im playing as eriador and i didnt start off at war with anybody so....
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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    you already got the ettenmoors, and the Mitheitel is where Hoarwell is, that's the only region you didn't get of all regions you need.

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    I think they are the only faction that doesn't have any enemies from the start.

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    lol
    at the first forum page i can see TWO threads about how to turn into arnor...
    is searching the forum that hard?
    little hint: aragorn has an item... this item has a description... the description is the exact answer to the how-to-turn-into-arnor-question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy View Post
    lol
    at the first forum page i can see TWO threads about how to turn into arnor...
    is searching the forum that hard?
    little hint: aragorn has an item... this item has a description... the description is the exact answer to the how-to-turn-into-arnor-question!

    They are just lazy

    the items name is Elendilirm btw

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    Dumb Question: What cheat/mod/thing did you use to get that much money?

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    google M2tw cheats, nough said

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    There is no need to "stay in red" to blitz OoG. It is not effective at all. Use only archers and your BG units. There is no good infantry right from the start and you do not need it. Only nobles and archers. All the way. And try to focus on settlements where nonmerchant cavalry can be recruited - decent units.

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 18Zulukiller View Post
    Hi I was wondering if someone could help me. I've recently started playing this mod (brilliant mod BTW) and I'm a bit stuck. Basically I'm playing as the faction that turns into the Arnor, problem is I can't figure out how to turn in to the Arnor.

    I've read the message on Elendilmir and it says to take over from Tharabad to Ettenmoors and from the Shire to Mitheitel. To rebuild the house of kings in Annuminas and to get an alliance with gondor. I've taken over the area around the Shire and Tharabad but I don't know where Ettenmoors or Mitheitel is. Also I have an alliance with Gondor but I don't see any options to build the house of kings in Annuminas.



    That's what I've taken over so far if someone could point me at the settlements I need to take over. Or anything else I need to do it would be much appreciated.
    Here're all informations you need: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...o+become+Arnor

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    About to start my first campaign, and want to cheat till I get the hang of the mod. Read in other threads it takes 100 I sh turns to switch. IIRC this is because it takes that long to get the city size up. If you cheat and add pop, can you get it faster (switch to Arnor)?

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    Default Re: How to turn into Arnor ?

    Yes, but that's not enough. You need to take certain territories and rebuild the House of Kings. Quite apart from the town size requirement, it's a very expensive building-32000 gold.

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