Gays, equal rights, marriage and anythine else pertaining to homosexuality.

[Henry X]

Steming from what could turn into a firestorm (or a jolly good time) in the Thema Devia, I decided to make a thread discussing the ethics of gay marriage, equality, etc etc etc.

I personally don't have a problem with gays having rights.

While some would say that I'm probably gay myself (I have gotten a ton of remarks to this effect in RL), I would like to mention that I was born and raised in North Georgia, which is not the way the movie Deliverance portrays it (except in some small pockets). I was brought up as an Episcopalian Christian by my mother and father and have a younger brother, who is staunchly homophobic and racist (I don't know why though).

In high school I knew several gay students and was friends with a few lesbians. Out of all of them, two of the gay guys were both in theatre (imagine that) with me and one was a former football player who ended up doing gay porn.

Of the lesbians, two of them helped us shoot our class film project and the other one was an actress and artist. They all seem to be very level-headed people and on the whole were very nice.

So, if these people act just like you and I, then why are they not allowed to have the same rights as heterosexuals?

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

We're all human at the end of it....

Pro choice and all that malarkey!!!!!!

[NotYetRegistered]

So, if these people act just like you and I, then why are they not allowed to have the same rights as heterosexuals?

because they're not natural and god hates them hurr durr

I don't really have a problem with gays having rights either.

[Doge Domenico]

Marriage is overrated you marry someone and they turn out to being an annoying , so you have kids to spice up youre life, but the anklebiters just drain youh of funds so you either divorce or limp along in uncomfortable silence till youre 90 when the sweet embrace of death mericfully takes you.


Jk, its just not at the top of the list, what with jobs, and the deficit taking precedent. They deseerve the right, but congress is already ineffcient, let them handle one thing at a time. Just my opinion though.

[Ender Wiggin]

I don't want to be treated like a gay person. That's what these equal rights things do. They don't bring gays up, they tear others down.

[Dominicvs]

I don't have a problem with gay rights, and I am Catholic (yes I know many of you will instantly regard my post as ignorant for my faith, but then you are doing what many people do to gays, and disregard them as something less because they are different). I know a few gays, and their alright, and great fun to hang out with, nothing actually wrong with them, just that they have a biological fault.

I only have a problem with gay marriage. I do strictly believe marriage is a union between a man and a women. Thats to say I'm not going to stop them from living together as life partners under a civil union, they just shouldn't be able to attain the title of marriage. To me, marriage is a sacred ceremony of two people becoming like one, and for to things to come together they have to be the opposite, its just part of nature. Two opposite things come together to compliment each other.

[Manco]

I don't want to be treated like a gay person. That's what these equal rights things do. They don't bring gays up, they tear others down.

Why?

I don't have a problem with gay rights.
Just gay marriage. I do strictly believe marriage is a union between a man and a women. Thats to say I'm not going to stop them from living together as life partners, they just shouldn't be able to attain the title of marriage.

Why?

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

I don't want to be treated like a gay person. That's what these equal rights things do. They don't bring gays up, they tear others down.

thats a very good point its just like "hate crimes" it just further separates our different social identities making prejudice and bigotry even more rife IMO

[Dominicvs]

I just explained in my post

[Von Kickyourass]

I didn't celebrate a Bar mitzvah cause i'm not Jewish, gays shouldn't partake in marriage as they aren't heterosexual. That's how I view it, personally though I don't like the concept of marriage anyway.

[Manco]

No, you didn't. You just said marriage is between man and a women with no exposition. I'm asking why you think so.
Just stating it's your belief isn't going to cut it, others shouldn't be judged or treated on, the basis of your beliefs.

I didn't celebrate a Bar mitzvah cause i'm not Jewish, gays shouldn't partake in marriage as they aren't heterosexual. That's how I view it, personally though I don't like the concept of marriage anyway.

That's just stupid

[Von Kickyourass]

That's just stupid

Or perhaps gay marriage is stupid. You believe gays should be able to marry, I don't. I've yet to insult you though. I'm not gonna be affected by a decision to allow gays to marry so i don't take it very seriously, not denying it's an important issue to many people though.
Also why not try and take pride in being gay, rather then striving to be more like heterosexuals by marrying.

P.S don't bother arguing with me too much, i don't have much interest in this topic and that other guy you're discussing this with seems to feel more strongly about it anyway.

[Dominicvs]

No, you didn't. You just said marriage is between man and a women with no exposition. I'm asking why you think so.
Just stating it's your belief isn't going to cut it, others shouldn't be judged or treated on, the basis of your beliefs.

Wrong, the post was updated after you posted. I explained my beliefs. I can't use facts and data to back it up, just in the same way you can't prove me wrong, unless its with your beliefs.

[Manco]

Ah hadn't seen that. (might be easier to explicitly say you upodate a post)

To me, marriage is a sacred ceremony of two people becoming like one,

Thern what about polygamy? You can't say it's not marriage, polygamy might not be your faith's form of marriage, but it certainly is a form. It might even be an older form and hence have more claim to the name.
As for it being sacred, marriage was a political tool for many, many centuries when emotions didn't even come into play.
What if I told you that common people didn't and often even couldn't even marry before a priest untill the 16th century? How is it sacred if for 3/4 of Christianity's history a priest wasn't even needed?

and for to things to come together they have to be the opposite, its just part of nature. Two opposite things come together to compliment each other.

Nature and marriage have nothing what so ever to do with each other.

[Manco]

I didn't insult you, I attacked your opinion for being stupid.

I can accept that people think marriage is for man and woman, and I'll debate that. But to throw in some stupid analogy crap with a Bar Mitzvah and being Jewish is just stupid.(and yes I do realize it called it stupid twice).

[Alkaline Earth]

This is a stupid topic, and I put a British accent on the stupid, that's right, I went there .

Seriously though, who give's a parsle about what the gay's do? In the end you don't know them so why should you care? Unless you have a Catholic Priest in the area and you have a son...

~ Thomas

[Henry X]

This is a stupid topic, and I put a British accent on the stupid, that's right, I went there .

Seriously though, who give's a parsle about what the gay's do? In the end you don't know them so why should you care? Unless you have a Catholic Priest in the area and you have a son...

~ Thomas

thank you for that wonderful, insightful post.

I think that Res Pvblica is on a good idea with perhaps granting gays all the rights of civil union, but perhaps leaving the instituiton of marriage (as heteros know it) to heterosexual couples.

[Manco]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and tastes like a duck after you chop its head off and cook it; call it a duck.

Seriously, you want to distinguish between a religious and a legal marriage? Go ahead, but that means other denominations can do whatever the hell they want as well which isn't currently the case in the US and many other places. But a state shouldn't be involved with pointless PC semantics.

[SLN445]

Should have Full rights as everyone else, including the right to be miserable like the rest of us in marriage.

[Col. Tartleton]

The government does not need to recognize marriage. Government involvement taints one of the few nice things we have in life into being some sort of economic venture designed to screw people over.

If you're committed to loving someone you are married to them. You don't need a ceremony or a government recognition.

Marriage: To combine or blend agreeably.

Gays should have no rights period. Everyone should have the same rights and responsibilities.

Now embrace your inner liberal and cast out your socialist demons. John Locke compels you!