Men > Women

[Lord Rahl]

Alright, so I am taking Sociology in college right now and my female professor always talks about how in our society women are treated differently than men. For example, men statistically have higher wages or salaries than women do.

Well, I was thinking about all of that and then I had an idea. If we treat women like dirt then why will men gladly give up their own lives if say, a ship is sinking or any other situation where sacrifices must be made? Anyone thinking the same way I am?

PS - I don't think this is in the right forum as of yet. If the mods want to move it...feel free but I only have one wish. If this thread is moved, use my "moved" pic to do so. If the pic is not used...someone will hear from me.

[Shadow_Imperator]

Yeah I kinda thought that, then sometimes I think "Are women sick of being ladies when men become tired of being gentlemen" or vica versa I suppose, but food for thought...

[Garbarsardar]

This is a man's world, this is a man's world
But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

You see, man made the cars to take us over the road
Man made the trains to carry heavy loads
Man made electric light to take us out of the dark
Man made the boat for the water, like Noah made the ark

This is a man's, a man's, a man's world
But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

Man thinks about a little baby girls and a baby boys
Man makes then happy 'cause man makes them toys
And after man has made everything, everything he can
You know that man makes money to buy from other man

This is a man's world
But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

He's lost in the wilderness
He's lost in bitterness

[Richard the Lionheart]

Doesn't this belong in the Ethos section? Either way, I don't have the power to move it.

Men and women both make sacrifices for each other, but those sacrifices are I guess very different.

Men are just very direct while women are less direct.

[Seleukos]

[Aemilianus]

I think that each side needs the other in some capacity or another. I have to admit, although my girlfriend enjoys nagging me about stuff like class and work and stuff (sometimes), its true that if she didn't, I wouldn't go to class as much or do work as much. She doesn't even do it very much either, I've heard horror stories from some of my friends that want to kill themselves. I on the other hand, help keep my gf sane (she stresses out a lot) by using my "who gives a crap" attitude. It works just fine that way in my opinion.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, I have no problem with women being equal to men at all, in all aspects of life. Personally, I think women will be glad that they have the WNBA, and their own dressing rooms, and chivalry...but that's just me. What I would like, is that if women want to be equal that they go about it gracefully. There are few things I dislike more than a vocal, outspoken man-hating feminist. It reminds me (with no disrespect intended toward anybody) of the people who think blacks can't be racist (the same ones that look at me with absolute disgust in "their" restaurants). I don't have any problem with equality....I just hate the people that act like it's my fault that they're not portrayed that way.

*Sorry for the disorganization, I was trying to make a few arguments in the same post (I think)...

[Lord Rahl]

I am going to ask my Sociology teacher about this. I am guessing that she will reply with something like,

"We as men want the women to stay alive so they can reproduce."

I bet she will say something along those lines. I'll reply simiarly to,

"I doubt when a ship is sinking that men think, "Oh! We need these women to make babies! Hurry! Save them first!""
I wonder how it will go.

[Kaweh]

"I doubt when a ship is sinking that men think, "Oh! We need these women to make babies! Hurry! Save them first!""
I wonder how it will go.

I guess it's a matter of education. I would sacrifice my life to save a woman or a child simply because... I think it's the right thing to do. So I think it's a matter of education and experiences...
People who are educated to belive that women are inferior, or have somehow made experiences that make them think so, would try to save their own life, I guess.

K.K

[Lord Rahl]

I bet it also depends on culture as well. In Arab countries where women are less than men (even more so than what is supposed in Western societies) the men might not care so much. I would gladly give my life for a woman or child the same as you sir. I believe it to be the right thing to do. It would be my honor to.

[AngryTitusPullo]

An old malay proverb, losely translated as "Heaven is under mother's feet" , meaning to be a good person, honor your mother , extended to the mother of your children.

Equality, but put it in the worng place is not equality at all.

[Halie Satanus]

It would be my honor.

there you hit the proverbial nail,iv'e read that almost from birth male childeren are programed with a sense of honor to protect the spieces, while female's are programed to re-produce, obviously that's a bit of a generalisation but it holds up in most societys, i myself think this goes against man's base instinct (dam that arthur and his code), i also find it strange that in todays world women fight tooth and nail for independence and the opportunity's to be equal, and then moan because we've allowed society to be demasculated, if your unsure what i mean think about this, in recent years the largest demorgraphic for new tv and literature is women between 25-35, and what are they tuning into or reading, strong women lording it over weak men (sex in the desperate...blah) and throwing a midlife crisis when they realize that they've been equal had thier cake and now they want to settle down and have kids there are no good men left, it's all rubbish of course but i do wonder what younger men think when it seems women have a stronger position in a social group,

(and yeh when i was at school if someone fell the cry of BUNNDLE went up and they had the **** kicked out of them :yes )

and before anyone say's what do you mean programed from birth, i'm mean on a sub conscious level by the parameters set within society, not by aliens probing our......... :wicked

[Guderian]

Maybe men somehow believe they will get to mate with the woman if they save her, some kind of natural instinct.

It's probably true.

I think men have a more individual outlook on life, as in they view the world through thier own point of view, whereas women view the world through others point of view (usually other men, or more experienced women) .

[mischief]

I bet it also depends on culture as well. In Arab countries where women are less than men (even more so than what is supposed in Western societies) the men might not care so much.

I would actually suggest that in Arab cultures the trend would be more distinct. they put women on a pedastal more than we in the west do, saying they must be protected and preserved and so on. Women may have fewer privileges, but are more idealised.

There is a strange double standard in the repression/protection of women in almost all cultures.

But the facts speak in the UK for themselves. in the same job, with the same training, women get 17% or so less money. we still live in a sexist society. better than most, but it pays not to be complacent about these things.

[Kaweh]

I would actually suggest that in Arab cultures the trend would be more distinct. they put women on a pedastal more than we in the west do, saying they must be protected and preserved and so on. Women may have fewer privileges, but are more idealised.

That's like locking a beautiful bird in a cage and throwing the key away. It's quite well protected then. But is the bird happy?

K.K

[Fenris]

I'll never hit a woman, except if I'm hit by a feminist, I'll beat her, want equality? Have equality. Seriously feminism was good once, but now they have went too far in my opinion.

[RZZZA]

I'd hit a woman. No joke...not full force but a slap, sure. Sometimes they deserve it.

Women KNOW that a man wont hit her, so they can use it to their advantage, how many times have you been out in public and you see a couple, and the women in the couple is clearly the dominant one. She treats her boyfriend like you would treat a child, anything the woman wants, she gets. In an argument, women KNOW that you will probably not raise a hand to her, so they push the envelope saying the most vile, nasty things imaginable just to see how far she can push you. In public, she can embaress you if she wants, in a restaurant she can scream and call your mother a dirty *****, and throw water in your face and all that, because she knows that she holds all the cards, and you have to take it.

Thats why I think if a woman attacks you first, you should be able to slap her. Not saying it a good idea since the courts seem to always favor the woman in any domestic abuse case, but if you know the wild things that some women (think hoodrat) can do to their man, you wouldnt be so against ever raising you hand to a woman. How many stories have you heard of women gluing their b/f's dick to somewhere, or downright cutting it with a knife, etc. Woman can get really crazy, sometimes it might be good to remind them that YOU arent a *****.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Well one of my psychology professors once said something about this type of thing.

She pointed out the example of how, when in a playground, if one child falls and hurts himself/herself, you will always see a male child go help the fallen, not a female child.

I thought that was an interesting example for her to use. Basically, her argument was that men are in general more compassionate and carrying than women are.

[Bwaho]

If we treat women like dirt then why will men gladly give up their own lives if say, a ship is sinking or any other situation where sacrifices must be made? Anyone thinking the same way I am?

Maybe men somehow believe they will get to mate with the woman if they save her, some kind of natural instinct.

She pointed out the example of how, when in a playground, if one child falls and hurts himself/herself, you will always see a male child go help the fallen, not a female child.

oh? I never heard that before, that's interesting indeed.

According to recent tests, children has shown that humans think altruistic from an early age. In the test children acted on their own when they helped with different tasks and it seemed like it was an instinct to help.

Basically, her argument was that men are in general more compassionate and carrying than women are.

I've been thinking about this for a long time. The first impression you get is that women are more carrying, but lately I've been thinking it's the other way around.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

She pointed out the example of how, when in a playground, if one child falls and hurts himself/herself, you will always see a male child go help the fallen, not a female child.

Really ??
During my time it wasn't like that. During my time the male kids kicked the one that fell down and hurt himself. It was always the females that helped.
Times have changed :disgust

[Richard the Lionheart]

Really ??
During my time it wasn't like that. During my time the male kids kicked the one that fell down and hurt himself. It was always the females that helped.
Times have changed :disgust

Really? I guess it's a good thing times did change.