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    Well I though of this because I came accross a story in the BBC:
    A doctor in India and his assistant have been sentenced to two years in jail for revealing the sex of a female foetus and then agreeing to abort it.This is the first time medical professionals have been jailed in such a case.Under Indian laws, ultrasound tests on a pregnant woman to determine the gender of the foetus are illegal.It has been estimated that 10m female foetuses may have been terminated in India in the past 20 years.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4855682.stm

    Apparently and especially in China (PRC) and India this is a widespread trend:
    As John-Thor Dahlburg points out, "in rural India, the centuries-old practice of female infanticide can still be considered a wise course of action." According to census statistics, "From 972 females for every 1,000 males in 1901 ... the gender imbalance has tilted to 929 females per 1,000 males. ... In the nearly 300 poor hamlets of the Usilampatti area of Tamil Nadu [state], as many as 196 girls died under suspicious circumstances [in 1993] ... Some were fed dry, unhulled rice that punctured their windpipes, or were made to swallow poisonous powdered fertilizer. Others were smothered with a wet towel, strangled or allowed to starve to death."
    (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'," The Los Angeles Times [in The Toronto Star, February 28, 1994.])

    In China, the practice was largely forsaken in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. But the number of "missing" women showed a sharp upward trend in the 1980s, linked by almost all scholars to the "one-child policy" introduced by the Chinese government in 1979 to control spiralling population growth. Couples are penalized by wage-cuts and reduced access to social services when children are born "outside the plan." Johansson and Nygren found that while "sex ratios [were] generally within or fairly near the expected range of 105 to 106 boys per 100 girls for live births within the plan ... they are, in contrast, clearly far above normal for children born outside the plan, even as high as 115 to 118 for 1984-87. That the phenomenon of missing girls in China in the 1980s is related to the government's population policy is thus conclusively shown."
    (Sten Johansson and Ola Nygren, "The Missing Girls of China: A New Demographic Account," Population and Development Review, 17: 1 [March 1991], pp. 40-41.)

    In September 1997, the World Health Organization's Regional Committee for the Western Pacific issued a report claiming that "more than 50 million women were estimated to be 'missing' in China because of the institutionalized killing and neglect of girls due to Beijing's population control program that limits parents to one child."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlConte...%2Fwchi11.html

    I have also personally witnessed the exponential increase of imported brides from Vietnam, Kampuchea and the Philippines. It seems they are reaping the benefits now...

    This is the Male to Female ratio in 2000
    Yellow is 105 to 100
    Dark red 113/100

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    This is sad, and comparable to a genocide. There's little more to say, other than now we have a population of more than one billion, where the 8% of young males won't be able to find a bride. This isn't good for aggressiveness, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    This is sad, and comparable to a genocide. There's little more to say, other than now we have a population of more than one billion, where the 8% of young males won't be able to find a bride. This isn't good for aggressiveness, as well.
    You diagnose correctly:
    "The imbalance between the sexes is now so distorted that there are 111 million men in China -- more than three times the population of Canada -- who will not be able to find a wife." As a result, the kidnapping and slave-trading of women has increased: "Since 1990, say official Chinese figures, 64,000 women -- 8,000 a year on average -- have been rescued by authorities from forced 'marriages'. The number who have not been saved can only be guessed at. ... The thirst for women is so acute that the slave trader gangs are even reaching outside China to find merchandise. There are regular reports of women being abducted in such places as northern Vietnam to feed the demand in China."
    (Jonathan Manthorpe, "China battles slave trading in women: Female infanticide fuels a brisk trade in wives," The Vancouver Sun, January 11, 1999.)

    But I guess you have in mind more levels of agressivness aswell. I agree to that too.

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    It's ironic that people are so concerned about the killing of baby girls in India when there is rampant infanticide in Western nations. The amount of abortions in the the US alone must far exeed the amount of infanticide cases in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    It's ironic that people are so concerned about the killing of baby girls in India when there is rampant infanticide in Western nations. The amount of abortions in the the US alone must far exeed the amount of infanticide cases in India.
    I am concerned about that as well, but the problem is different. We should strive to obtain a chance for aborted babies to survive, without burdening their families who want, or need to abort them.

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    Women need to keep their legs together, and men need to keep it in their pants. We breed like roaches, nobody needs to have a baby, people just do it because theyre selfish. Do the world a favor and dont bring another ugly little rascal into it when its unwanted and unneeded. OR


    Or, we can start offing all the kids who are starving and homeless now, that way we'll still have room for all the selfish couples who feel they need to contribute one more hungry mouth to the planet. Next time you think about having unprotected sex, you think about if its worth it to personally grab a gun, hold it to a Sally Struthers kids temple and blow his brains out.

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    This isnt good, natural populations always have a slightly female to male ratio. I fear what this could mean for the future in these countries.
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    I've stumbled across this problem when I was doing an essay for geography a couple of months ago. It is very horrible, and unless 'or' the law 'or' the mentality changes, things are looking very grim for the future of women in the named lands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    It's ironic that people are so concerned about the killing of baby girls in India when there is rampant infanticide in Western nations. The amount of abortions in the the US alone must far exeed the amount of infanticide cases in India.
    the difference is that they are aborting it simply because they are girls as opposed to many in the west get abortions because they won't be able to support a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamthePope
    It's ironic that people are so concerned about the killing of baby girls in India when there is rampant infanticide in Western nations. The amount of abortions in the the US alone must far exeed the amount of infanticide cases in India.
    If one problem is greater than another that does not mean we should ignore the lesser.

    And unless I am mistaken abortion is legal - whether you think it should be or not - and this most certainly isnt'.

    I would say the greater crime is to kill a person already born (most of these cases are post-birth) and not when it is still a fetus. But that's another issue.
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    The chinese have a major problem with the 'one child' law. Because they think that (and they do in China) that Boy's earn more money, they want a boy instead of a girl as a sort of pension policy. This causes the abandonment of Girl's when they are born, especially in outlying areas. This a serious problem in China and nothing can really be done to stop it, short of reppealing the law or policing births!

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    sad i think

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    Damn why cant it be the girls competing for guys?
    The world surely is unfair. Feminist world..
    You have a certain mentality, a "you vs them" and i know it is hard to see, but it is only your imagination which makes up enemies everywhere. I haven't professed anything but being neutral so why Do you feel the need to defend yourself from me?. Truly What are you defending? when there is nobody attacking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habelo
    Damn why cant it be the girls competing for guys?
    The world surely is unfair. Feminist world..

    Well this, believe it or not, is the case in counties where females are not "culled".
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    Well I guess it is better this way instead of drowning it in the river that they do in most cases.
    Personally I can never understand this kinda cultures. Can anyone that live in these areas tell us if the number of these cases are the same as it used to be or has it decreased ??

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    Its weird, when you have lots of gods that includes females. The society has always gone more equal to the both sex. But in this case, a idiot emperor ore something have thought very wrong on how his society should look like...
    You have a certain mentality, a "you vs them" and i know it is hard to see, but it is only your imagination which makes up enemies everywhere. I haven't professed anything but being neutral so why Do you feel the need to defend yourself from me?. Truly What are you defending? when there is nobody attacking?

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    Decreased as access to education and therefore better paid jobs increases. In poor rural areas its still practiced, mainly in the south of China, because of the simple fact that boys can earn more and will better be able to support their parents both during their working life and in retirement. Social Security is non-existant, so all families have to rely upon is their offspring and extended family.
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    It is all very well for you bourgeois internet-accessing lower middle-class types and foreign Westerners to whine and complain that rural Indians and Chinese abort girl foetuses - YOU don't have to live in rural India or China. They can either raise these girls, who will not be able to help support their family nearly as much as boys would, and so give that girl an utterly miserable life and harm their own families, or they can just take the harsh, sensible step of abortion until they get a boy. It's simple economics, and your complaints about it are decadent in the extreme. If you were in their situation you would do EXACTLY the same. I've got news for you: Starvation isn't nice..

    Feeling so morally superior to these evil peasants, are you? How revolting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge
    It is all very well for you bourgeois internet-accessing lower middle-class types and foreign Westerners to whine and complain that rural Indians and Chinese abort girl foetuses - YOU don't have to live in rural India or China. They can either raise these girls, who will not be able to help support their family nearly as much as boys would, and so give that girl an utterly miserable life and harm their own families, or they can just take the harsh, sensible step of abortion until they get a boy. It's simple economics, and your complaints about it are decadent in the extreme. If you were in their situation you would do EXACTLY the same. I've got news for you: Starvation isn't nice..

    Feeling so morally superior to these evil peasants, are you? How revolting.
    Funny: you don't live there either. I guess you're as clueless as we are.

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    I think too much hullabaloo is raised over death. For something so natural, humans really cant get a grip on the concept of death. Is drowning a little baby any more cruel than going through life aimlessly trying to find purpose until you die? The only people so upset about abortion are those who are hung up about death, who think death is the worst thing in the world. Its not though, there are worse things that can happen to you than just dying.

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