Brits have hissy fits, burn down nation

[Stavroforos]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14435251

Riots broke out in London over the shooting of a youth last night, with cars and buildings burned and many injured. Vaguely reminiscent to the Greek riots which happened a few years ago, in roughly the exact same manner. *edit* The man who was shot had apparently opened fire on the Police officers, and was shot because of this, as opposed to the Greek 15 year old who was unarmed and did not attack police. Perhaps these Londoners should be thinking about improving their neighborhood and working at their jobs rather than rioting.

Have any of you Londoners seen any of the incidents?

Do you think that these episodes will continue?

[Pielstick]

Mark Duggan was 29 years old - NOT a "youth", and was killed in an incident which also resulted in the shooting of a police officer.

Perhaps these Londoners should be thinking about improving their neighborhood and working at their jobs rather than rioting.

Indeed, and this episode illustrates exactly why my family left London in 1992.

Will it continue, of course it will - as long as the Police pussy-foot around the gang culture problem and fail to tackle it effectively for fear of being called racist.

[mongrel]

Mark Duggan was 29 years old - NOT a "youth", and was killed in an incident which also resulted in the shooting of a police officer.

Indeed, and this episode illustrates exactly why my family left London in 1992.

Will it continue, of course it will - as long as the Police pussy-foot around the gang culture problem and fail to tackle it effectively for fear of being called racist.

I do not believe you.

Odds are that the real reason your family moved is because they had to upgrade their accomodation or found a job. That is why God gave us Chingford and Penge, so we can leave the plebs behind and vote Tory.

Funnilyenough I moved into London three years earlier and found that far from pussy-footing round the problem they have a dedicated armed unit targeting said gangs, hence the operation leading to the exchange of fire and regular checkpoints , with dogs, checking for drugs, knives etc. If we are to discuss matters like this,lets base it on on fact .

I know the area well. It would be interesting exchanging words with the Spurs fans.

The issues as far as I am aware, although more facts will emerge are:

The dead man was known to the police.

I believe that the police were targeting gangs as they do on an annual basis, as a preemptive measure prior to the Notting Hill Carnival. They have successfully done so without incident for years now.t

Some eyewitnesses say that the man was shot dead by police when subdued. I won't comment on that, that is the job for the IPCC and an inquest

Not surprisingly there was a legitimate protest against this, after all the Met have form on killing people in custody.

It would seem that this so-called riot was well planned and co-ordinated. I smell criminals exploiting a volatile situation.

Where the feck were the police? This is London not Yeovil. The Met's leadership and intelligence gathering was pathetic. If people know where to riot on Twitter, the police should know where to deploy.

[Pielstick]

I do not believe you.

Odds are that the real reason your family moved is because they had to upgrade their accomodation or found a job. That is why God gave us Chingford and Penge, so we can leave the plebs behind and vote Tory.

Nope, they moved because they no longer wanted to live in London - it had nothing to do with accommodation or jobs - in fact we moved into a much smaller house and my mother had to find a new job. They wanted to leave because they felt London was no longer a nice place to live. We lived in Fulham and I was 11 years old at the time. My family goes back at least five generations in Fulham - every time I go back there it breaks my heart to see what a shite hole it is now.

I would never go back to live or work in London now. I hate the place and spend as little time there as possible.


But anyway, let's not deflect the issue. Even if the police summarily executed Mark Duggan, does that give all those people the right to go on an orgy of violence, vandalism and looting?

[mongrel]

Nope, they moved because they no longer wanted to live in London - it had nothing to do with accommodation or jobs - in fact we moved into a much smaller house and my mother had to find a new job. They wanted to leave because they felt London was no longer a nice place to live. We lived in Fulham and I was 11 years old at the time. My family goes back at least five generations in Fulham - every time I go back there it breaks my heart to see what a shite-hole it is now.

I would never go back to live or work in London now. I hate the place and spend as little time there as possible.

But anyway, let's not deflect the issue. Even if the police summarily executed Mark Duggan, does that give all those people the right to go on an orgy of violence, vandalism and looting?

I'll withdraw my earlier comment in part. However it is clear that Fulham is on the polar opposite end of London to Tottenham which makes me think that your interjection was opportunistic and not based on experience.

Fulham. It has a posher end. Well, one of my four Fulham friends is posh.The rest can be described as a shite hole from my distant memory , but I am not sure how this would encourage someone in North London to empty PC World.

It is people like you and the apologists for this dead rogue who are making it a race issue.

What is relevant is that the Met fluffed an intercept mission(I presume they did not plan to have a shootout on one of London's busiest thoroughfares )and they failed to protect property against organized criminal violence. I do not dignify this lawlessness by the term riot.

These people do not have a right to commit crime. At the same time us taxpayers and business owners expect an adequate amount of protection given the amount of rates and taxes we pay. As it stands the government is cutting police numbers by thousands. I did not vote for this.

That is because the EDL is predisposed to pointlessly stir the pot, hence they're just sitting on them. When some unknown person tweets something they can hardly jump on it, and considering the way that Twitter works they'd need far more access than they currently have to actually do anything useful about the riots, unless the tweets were reported to them.

Guess so, it is like shooting fish in a barrel. Nonetheless I do remember that police used to have riot police in reserve when expecting trouble.

[mongrel]

He must've got his t the American gun store.

'Cause we all know that banning guns keeps them out of the hands of criminals.....

Banning handguns make criminals crappy marksmen.

[Gromovnik]

Mark Duggan was 29 years old - NOT a "youth",

But you don't actually have to be young to be a "youth". There are "youths" of all ages.

[molonthegreat]

It was a criminal scumbag who opened fire on the police that was killed, so good riddance and I do not understand the retards that rioted.

[Pielstick]

The shooting of Mark Duggan was just an excuse for these people.

If as we are told their problem is with the police and police methods - what was the point of setting fire to businesses, homes, a bus and looting?

But no, it's all because the police in London are racist

[Captain Jin]

But no, it's all because the police in London are racist

It's pretty sad actually. The people of London, or maybe of the UK, have the police so scared of making a misstep that they regularly get pushed around.

[Derbiean]

It's pretty sad actually. The people of London, or maybe of the UK, have the police so scared of making a misstep that they regularly get pushed around.

Quite the reserve. This shooting has pushed some people too far.

[molonthegreat]

Quite the reserve. This shooting has pushed some people too far.

So what the hell was the police supposed to do? Let the scumbag shoot them down while waving white flags?

[Pielstick]

The people of London, or maybe of the UK, have the police so scared of making a misstep that they regularly get pushed around.

That's just it. Everyone is so afraid of being labelled a racist... watching BBC and Sky this morning I notice they are deftly avoiding the race issue and are making lots of excuses for last night's violence.

An old school friend of my sister's joined the British Transport Police and worked for about ten years on the London Underground. She said every time she did a stop and search or arrest of a black person they would play the race card. She got so fed up with it in the end she emigrated to Australia and now works as a police officer in Perth.

[Captain Jin]

That's just it. Everyone is so afraid of being labelled a racist... watching BBC and Sky this morning I notice they are deftly avoiding the race issue and are making lots of excuses for last night's violence.

An old school friend of my sister's joined the British Transport Police and worked for about ten years on the London Underground. She said every time she did a stop and search or arrest of a black person they would play the race card. She got so fed up with it in the end she emigrated to Australia and now works as a police officer in Perth.

Ya, I see it pretty regularly since we have a partnership with Diplomatic Police group and Met Police. A pretty professional lot, but they are so hamstrung by politics and the possibility of negative light on the police in the city that even when they cuff someone to arrest them they let the perp lead them around and jockey them about because they're afraid to put a little bit of control on the situation.

[Jom]

It's pretty sad actually. The people of London, or maybe of the UK, have the police so scared of making a misstep that they regularly get pushed around.

Really?

Take a look at what members of the Met did during the G8 protests. Doesn't seem like the actions of a police force petrified of putting one step out of place.

[Captain Jin]

Really?

Take a look at what members of the Met did during the G8 protests. Doesn't seem like the actions of a police force petrified of putting one step out of place.

Riots/protests are a different story. I'm talking about the day to day business.

[(s)AINT]

It was a criminal scumbag who opened fire on the police that was killed, so good riddance and I do not understand the retards that rioted.

This. Thank you.

[Derbiean]

It was a criminal scumbag who opened fire on the police that was killed, so good riddance and I do not understand the retards that rioted.

A local resident has said the man in question was not a trouble maker and had not been in trouble with the police before, however he was down and paranoid about a friend of his who was stabbed to death recently.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14423942

[The excited one]

It was a criminal scumbag who opened fire on the police that was killed, so good riddance and I do not understand the retards that rioted.

they just simply use this an an excuse to do some grab and snatch in the name of a dead "youth" which they never knew you know its quite profitable to do have riots like that especially in this current economic conditions

God that's retarded. How are are the Tories keeping money in the hands of the rich? Why is it a good idea to send troops (what the do you mean? The TA?) attack rioters?

oh no not another tiananmen again are you mad of sth or you just want to deal with this in a tough authoritarian way (or the commie way since both are the same)

[Knight_Of_Ne]

they just simply use this an an excuse to do some grab and snatch in the name of a dead "youth" which they never knew you know its quite profitable to do have riots like that especially in this current economic conditions

Why pay for a 40" Plasma Screen HD TV, when you can smash a window and get one for free.

Ne