Unit size and tactical repercussions

[Polidamante]

Hi all

I 'd like to know if (and "what are" if the answer is affermative) there are tactical differences between normal and large unit size in multi.

Are there units more or less important in normal compared to large size?

I always play 15k cwb rules large unit size, and i wonder if i have to modify my army or gameplay passing to normal unit size (often used by clans).


ps
sorry for my bad english

[Magic_8_Ball]

For a starter, it's much harder to skirmish in large scale. Cavalry wedge tricks don't work as well on large either. Units turn a lot slower as well in large.

[TheFoolOnTheHill]

i like normal because my com can only hadle 6000 units and that means i cant to 3v3s or 2v2 sometimes without a lot of lag

[|Sith| Max]

that is not really relevant.
He asked how Scale affects the game.
Basically the lower the scale, the stronger cavalry and archers get. The higher, the stronger infantry gets. this is because all formations become slower on higher scales. cavalry lose manueverability and archers become less dangerous. thats why most no brain players host huge scale battles and spam urbans. Most normal players use Normal scale instead.

[dacder]

Archers are better on large scale max its just you cant control them as good

[|Sith| Max]

Keep telling yourself that.

[dacder]

one cretan archer can get 2 exp g/ ups easy on 31k and with that they rape literally everything from behind

[Parthicus]

I have found that Heavier cavalry is actually better on higher settings, as I have routed prepared Urbans with a charge from heavy cataphracts before on massive, yet couldnt do the same on large.

[|Sith| Max]

one cretan archer can get 2 exp g/ ups easy on 31k and with that they rape literally everything from behind

from behind being the keyword there. do you start behind the enemy?

I have found that Heavier cavalry is actually better on higher settings, as I have routed prepared Urbans with a charge from heavy cataphracts before on massive, yet couldnt do the same on large.

You did a good job overcoming the effects of it, but the bigger the scale, the bigger the mass of the units, and the charge distance does not increase relatively to that, meaning that their most powerful weapon, the Z-Wedge becomes useless. The bigger units also mean the infantry has more mass to absorb normal charges, and more staying power in melee combat.

[avesta]

that is not really relevant.
He asked how Scale affects the game.
Basically the lower the scale, the stronger cavalry and archers get. The higher, the stronger infantry gets. this is because all formations become slower on higher scales. cavalry lose manueverability and archers become less dangerous. thats why most no brain players host huge scale battles and spam urbans. Most normal players use Normal scale instead.

I don't think it's fair to call those players "no brain". They just prefer a more "grinding down" or protracted battle which requires different tactics and a different strategy to win. There is still skill involved in those kind of battles.
KWR war rules makes some great battles at times, but I understand that it's not everyone's cup of tea.

[|Sith| Max]

You can still do a grinding battle on 30K Large scale. On Huge scale units move like a morbidly obese floppy whale. its like watching a beached Barbara Bush. Micro matters so much less there. if they want a protracted battle i defer them to MTW2, where the games run in Slow Motion by default.

[avesta]

Yes you can have that kind of battle on large as well, but I find for 1v1's it feels more epic on huge. A 1v1 'infantry grind fest' on large just doesn't give the same feeling. I prefer 1v1 for this kind of battle anyway....though playing kwr team games back in the day with kings was a lot of fun.

[|Sith| Max]

Kings were nice, and i did try to play huge with them once because i got tired of my friend DOC using arches in tight formation and with fire arrows on against HA, but 30k was just a little too simple to get into.

[dacder]

Whats wrong with fire arrows?
It means you dont waste all your ammo on them :p

[Maiar93]

It's use is situational, that's it, you don't usually have the need for them

[|Sith| Max]

if you are fighting an archerwar putting your archers in tight formation and fire arrows is a death sentence. he got pwnt and i had to fight two armies. after that we tried a 30k battle cause he wanted to but that was too simple so we just played BF2 togheter and owned some yo.

[dacder]

Archer war?
I thought you said against horse archers

[|Sith| Max]

Yes, but his opponent ispanico is too stupid to actually send in only HA. he sent in 6 Archers 2 Pharaoh's archers and 2 chaz arch all at once.

[dacder]

lol
AGainst carthage it would be wise to send in the pharows bows and the ca at the same time.

[avesta]

if you are fighting an archerwar putting your archers in tight formation and fire arrows is a death sentence. he got pwnt and i had to fight two armies. after that we tried a 30k battle cause he wanted to but that was too simple so we just played BF2 togheter and owned some yo.

That's awesome. RTW and BF2 are my 2 fav games. I'm a chopper addict so I only play air maps.