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    Default Are Allah, Yahweh, and Adonai Three Different Gods?

    Earlier in my life, after having read the Torah, the New Testament, and the Quran, I couldn't help but notice an immense moral and ethical difference between the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic gods. Are all of these gods the same god, who just happens to be displaying different facets of his personality, or are they seperate entities?

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    They're different forms of seeing the one God "the correct way". There is some disagreement there.
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    I think the more likely thing is that they are all the same god seen through different cultural eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post
    Earlier in my life, after having read the Torah, the New Testament, and the Quran, I couldn't help but notice an immense moral and ethical difference between the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic gods. Are all of these gods the same god, who just happens to be displaying different facets of his personality, or are they seperate entities?
    It would be much better if you could tell us the difference you observed between them.
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    The Jewish God says "Obey me or die!" the Christian God says "I love everyone, now obey me or die!" and the Muslim God says "I am merciful, so obey me or die!". So you have the core theme which remains central to the faith but there is a different additional emphasis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    The Jewish God says "Obey me or die!" the Christian God says "I love everyone, now obey me or die!" and the Muslim God says "I am merciful, so obey me or die!". So you have the core theme which remains central to the faith but there is a different additional emphasis.
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    I'd say they're different in the same sense that Odin, Lugh, and Sabazios are "different" by which to mean different cultures takes on the same made up stories.

    Sort of like Snow White, Bella Venezia, Myrsina, Nourie Hadig, the Young Slave, and Gold Tree and Silver Tree are all apparently different versions of the same story in different areas. But none of them are true and that's what makes them good stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rifleman View Post
    I found this true.
    How? Since when does the Jewish God smite people who do not obey him? He's actually a realitvely liberal God, allowing non-Jews to believe in whatever they want and not follow Mitzvahs, because he only made an alliance (the Holy Bris) with the Jewish people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    How? Since when does the Jewish God smite people who do not obey him? He's actually a realitvely liberal God, allowing non-Jews to believe in whatever they want and not follow Mitzvahs, because he only made an alliance (the Holy Bris) with the Jewish people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    How? Since when does the Jewish God smite people who do not obey him? He's actually a realitvely liberal God, allowing non-Jews to believe in whatever they want and not follow Mitzvahs, because he only made an alliance (the Holy Bris) with the Jewish people.
    big guy can be pretty cruel.

    He smites Korah, Datan and Abiram for accusing Moses of elevating himself above other Israelites. Could this have been solved with a simple word of God? Or perhaps arguing? Yes.

    Then, when other people accuse Moses of killing them they suddenly get struck with a plague. Wow, really fair.

    When Moses struck a stone twice for water he and his brother Aaron can't enter Canaan because they hadn't shown God's holiness.
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    " When Moses struck a stone twice for water he and his brother Aaron can't enter Canaan because they hadn't shown God's holiness. "

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    No. Moses never entered the land because God had a better land in store for him and that through Jesus Christ. That was the main factor regarding that man yet if we consider Aaron's position as Highpriest, he allowed the people to build idols and that was why he never got into the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    big guy can be pretty cruel.

    He smites Korah, Datan and Abiram for accusing Moses of elevating himself above other Israelites. Could this have been solved with a simple word of God? Or perhaps arguing? Yes.
    They deserved it. God chose Moses to lead the Jewish people out of Israel. By unjustifiably accusing Moses of elevating himself they weren't just being ungrateful pricks, they were complaining about God's choice. This isn't like a 'misguided soul', as the Christians would say, or a sinner in the modern day be he Jewish or Goy, they basically spat in the face of God and his prophet.

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    Then, when other people accuse Moses of killing them they suddenly get struck with a plague. Wow, really fair.
    Wait, what?

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    When Moses struck a stone twice for water he and his brother Aaron can't enter Canaan because they hadn't shown God's holiness.
    Moses could not enter Canaan because he was told by God to talk to the rock yet he hit it, thereby disobeying God after all He's done for him and his people (or something like that, I'm not religious, I only know this because I went to a religious school in London), not to mention that he broke the tablets of he covenant, arguably the holiest thing in Jewish existence. Aaron couldn't enter because he built a bloody golden calf at the foot of Mount Sinai.
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    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    The Jewish God says "Obey me or die!" the Christian God says "I love everyone, now obey me or die!" and the Muslim God says "I am merciful, so obey me or die!". So you have the core theme which remains central to the faith but there is a different additional emphasis.
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    All people will eventually die whether you obey God or not, so what's the fuss ?


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    Die the second death then in addition the first one. I'm not sure if ancient Jews even believed in an afterlife they may have got the idea from contact with the ancient Greeks. Originally God was really more something that would determine your lot in this life and once you're dead he was done with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    Die the second death then in addition the first one. I'm not sure if ancient Jews even believed in an afterlife they may have got the idea from contact with the ancient Greeks. Originally God was really more something that would determine your lot in this life and once you're dead he was done with you.
    For Jews you either have one of three things, at least as far as I know. If your good, you go to heaven. If you are bad, reincarnation. If you are terrible, soul obliteration. I could be wrong about the last one though.
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    For Jews you either have one of three things, at least as far as I know. If your good, you go to heaven. If you are bad, reincarnation. If you are terrible, soul obliteration. I could be wrong about the last one though.
    I don't think there's a definite consensus in the Jewish religion as to what the afterlife is and how it works. Some may believe in reincarnation and some don't there isn't a set doctrine on this. They're more interested in how you live in this life than what happens beyond the grave.
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    Firstly, both the second and third names are Hebrew and used in Jewish prayer, so they're inarguably the same. Secondly, Allah and the Jewish God (whose name as a Jew I prefer not to type) and the Christian God are all names the same God, but perceived differently by three religions. One religion believes that those who don't accept Him and his messanger are blasphemers who will be sent to hell (*Cough*Christianity*Cough*), another believes that He punishes the chosen people if they sin and reward them if they've done their mitzvahs (Jews), and I am shamefully ignorant about Islam to say anything about how they perceive God.
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    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Goodguy1066♔ View Post
    If I look at a dog and find him adorable, and my mate looks at the same dog and finds him scary, that doesn't mean we are looking at two seperate dogs, we just perceive him differently.
    There is actual scriptural difference in the actions of all three gods. These differences cannot be explained by cultural interpretation.

    And I am well aware of the fact that the word Yahweh is Jewish in origin. I said Adonai because the word Yahweh is rarely used in the Torah, Hashem and Adonai being the prefered word.

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    They are(as any universalits would imply) ''different approximations to divinity''.

    Since divinity is a perfect substance, and the approximations are being made from imperfect substances, humans, the results ''differ''. The justifications for the ''knowledge of'' divinity varies with every approximation too.

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