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    The deity called Yahweh is the central pillar of Judeo-Christianity. Judaism worships Yahweh directly; Christianity sees Jesus as an incarnation of Yahweh. This is very common knowledge. But from where does Yahweh come from? When does mention of Yahweh first appear historically? Was Yahweh his original name, and if so, from where did it arise? Did Yahweh begin as a monotheistic god? If Yahweh was of a polytheistic pantheon, from which did he originate? I will try to answer these questions in as logical a manner as I possibly can.

    The Tetragrammaton (the four letter representation of the name of God) in Phoenician, Aramaic, and modern Hebrew.


    The first question is simple. Yahweh (and his worshippers) arose in the Levant, in the Canaanite highlands. While Old Testament accounts tell of the ancient Israelites annihilating their foes and besieging cities, history tells quite a different narrative. They seem to have originated in a very peaceful manner, as migrants into Canaan from the deserts of Edom, in Southern Levant. Historians theorize this due to mention of the Israelites in an Egyptian inscription on the columns of a temple. I will expound on this further below.


    Edom, the hypothesized origin of the Cult of Yahweh.

    Historically, the earliest certain mention of the name "Yahweh" in its entirety is from the Moabite stele, dated to about 850 BC. It recounts a Moabite king's victory over the "the House of Omri", and mentions Yahweh. However (and this is the basis of the Kenite Hypothesis mentioned earlier), on a column in the temple of Soleb, there is a list of enemies (these were apparently quite frequent in ancient Egypt) that mentions the "Shasu of YWH". The word "Shasu" evolved from the Egyptian word for "Bedouins", or "nomads". Thusly, the widely accepted theory proposes that Yahweh came from the migratory tribes of Edom, of which the Kenites were (the Kenites were mentioned in the Old Testament, Jethro was a Kenite). Many historical scholars also propose an emergence from West Canaan.

    There is also supposed mention of the name of Yahweh before even the Soleb inscription, from three Babylonian tablets dating to the first dynasty of Babylonia. In said tablets, the scholar Friedrich Delitzsch extrapolated the names "Ya-a'-ve-ilu", "Ya-ve-ilu", and "Ya-u-um-ilu", all of which he translated to "Yahweh is God". If correct, this suggests that Yahweh may have been one of the gods of a Semetic tribe that invaded Mesopotamia in 2000 BC. This would associate Yahweh worship to polytheistic tribes that predate the formation of the Kingdom of Israel.


    The Shasu of YWH. These are the ancient people proposed by the Kenite Hypothesis as the possible originators of Yahweh.



    In order to understand the etymological origins of the name Yahweh, we must first understand A. the language in which it was originally written, B. the language in which it was eventually written, and C. the texts in which the name was first mentioned.

    The tetragrammaton (which means "four-lettered word" in Greek, and is representative of the name of god) is YHWH. This stems from Hebrews lack of vowels; in ancient Hebrew, the name of Yahweh reads "Yod, Hei, Waw, Hei". What the vowels originally were is actually unknown, but the pronunciation "Yahweh" and "Yehovah" or "Yehowah" descend directly from the Masoretic translation of the Hebrew " יהוה " (note that Hebrew script is read right to left), and from Latin/Greek transliterations.

    What about the origins of the basis from which we understand the deity called Yahweh? There are several theories involving the creation of the Old Testament, but the one that seems to have the most support is the Documentary Hypothesis. In said hypothesis, the Torah was actually a compilation of four unrelated texts: the Jahwist, the Elohist, Deuteronomy, and the Laws of the Kohenim. Interestingly, the Jahwist and the Elohist (the two oldest sources), do not show a wrathful, jealous god, but instead, depict a god who is quite amiable towards his creations. In the Jahwist (the oldest source), Yahweh is not depicted as being confrontory towards other Canaanite cults, and draws similarities from the Epics of Atrahasis and Gilgamesh. It is theorized that he attained these qualities during the monotheistic upheaval after the Babylonian diaspora. The Book of Deuteronomy suggests that this took place in the monastic period during the reign of Josiah.


    A picture showing the timeline and geography of the 4 hypothetical sources of the Torah and a picture that explains the Documentary Hypothesis. An explanation of the symbols: "J" stands for the Jahwist, "E" for the Elohist, "Dtr 1 and 2" stand for the two sources of the Book of Deuteronomy, "D" stands for Deutoronomy, "P" stands for the text written by the Kohenim, or the "priestly source", "DH" stands for the Deuteronomic Histories, and the "JE and R" stand for edited texts by redactors.


    Now we get to the controversial topic: was Yahweh part of a polytheistic pantheon, and if so, which? The short answer: yes, he was part of the Canaanite pantheon, and early worshippers of Yahweh also worshipped both Asherah and Ba'al. The worship of Asherah and Ba'al is mentioned several times in the Old Testament, and there is conclusive archaeological evidence of the worship of both these deities in ancient Israel, particularly of the fertility goddess Asherah, of which we see many statuettes and idols. Allusions to the worship of other gods (and the conflict that arises because of this worship), can be found in Exodus (when the Israelites worship the golden calf, which was most likely the Apis Bull), and in Jeremiah (the depiction of the worship of Ba'al and Asherah poles, also known as Asherim). It should be mentioned here that some scholars suggest that Asherah was, at one point, a consort of Yahweh, although this isn't a mainstream theory.

    An Idol of Asherah Found in Israel

    Hot, eh? All fertility goddesses generally were


    But what about prior to the pantheon of the ancient Israelites (Ba'al, Asherah, and Yahweh)? Was Yahweh worshipped prior, and if so, did he demand exclusive worship then? Yes, it is theorized that he was worshipped prior to the pantheon of the ancient Israelites and no, he did not demand exclusive worship (few polytheistic gods did, unsurprisingly). Yahweh was worshipped as both Yahwi and Yaw (a storm god and a river god, who are part of the Canaanite pantheon). He was worshipped in conjunction with many other gods, including Asherah (Elat), El'Elyon, and Ba'al.


    The gods Ba'al and Elat (here pictured as the Iron Age Asherah), part of the Canaanite pantheon. The far right is a depiction of Yahweh and several other gods at Kuntillet Arjud.

    You may be thinking by this point "Well, that is great and all AA, but why isn't this in the VV instead of the EMM?" Because I want to see discourse on the subject. How do both atheists and theists interpret and/or rationalize the polytheistic origins of Yahweh? Are there any alternative theories to the ones I listed that a poster could share? Did I miss an important detail? Discuss!
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    Conjecture is not undeniable proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Conjecture is not undeniable proof.
    Who said it was? Besides, as I have pointed out, the polytheism of ancient Israelites is mentioned in the Old Testament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post
    Who said it was? Besides, as I have pointed out, the polytheism of ancient Israelites is mentioned in the Old Testament.
    It certainly is.

    Check the ten commandments.
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    The fact that the ancients Jews were originally polytheists is somewhat well know, there's even a remnant of it in Genesis.

    Genesis 3:22
    And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    "is become as one of us"

    "Us" meaning gods plural.
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    It could be that God evolves with humanity? That Humanity and God are intertwined so that one effects the other?
    Worst part of trying to express a point is when someone says what you said better and gets praised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Zhang Ku View Post
    It could be that God evolves with humanity?
    Like the majority of our concepts.

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    This was before they had the revelations of the Jewish prophets of course. Humans will tend to make idols to worship without divine guidance, be the idols gods or the Self.
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    Very interesting, a good read!

    Genesis 3:22
    And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    "is become as one of us"

    "Us" meaning gods plural.
    It is also important to note that things like this are used by Trinitarian Christians to point to evidence of the Trinity in the Old Testament. I personally believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitsar View Post
    Very interesting, a good read!
    Thanks! It was interesting composing it! I learned of a few archaeological sites that I hadn't heard of before in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post

    The tetragrammaton (which means "four-lettered word" in Greek, and is representative of the name of god) is YHWH. This stems from Hebrews lack of vowels; in ancient Hebrew, the name of Yahweh reads "Yod, Hei, Waw, Hei". What the vowels originally were is actually unknown, but the pronunciation "Yahweh" and "Yehovah" or "Yehowah" descend directly from the Masoretic translation of the Hebrew " יהוה " (note that Hebrew script is read right to left), and from Latin/Greek transliterations.
    well from what i understand the name of god can not be said because Semitic people base ideas on 3 consonant roots, so god is an idea not a thing thus the idea of god is a 3 consonant root and god related things (temples, priests, specific gods that sort of crap) are real words .


    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post

    What about the origins of the basis from which we understand the deity called Yahweh? There are several theories involving the creation of the Old Testament, but the one that seems to have the most support is the Documentary Hypothesis. In said hypothesis, the Torah was actually a compilation of four unrelated texts: the Jahwist, the Elohist, Deuteronomy, and the Laws of the Kohenim. Interestingly, the Jahwist and the Elohist (the two oldest sources), do not show a wrathful, jealous god, but instead, depict a god who is quite amiable towards his creations. In the Jahwist (the oldest source), Yahweh is not depicted as being confrontory towards other Canaanite cults, and draws similarities from the Epics of Atrahasis and Gilgamesh. It is theorized that he attained these qualities during the monotheistic upheaval after the Babylonian diaspora. The Book of Deuteronomy suggests that this took place in the monastic period during the reign of Josiah.
    some Canaanite miths include the sack of Jericho, pointing towards Semitic invasions of canan before the Israelite were their own tribe,

    them becoming their own tribe (and monotheist apparently happened after their stay in Babylon, or a little after that. the thora was written and compiled by prophet essra.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post

    Now we get to the controversial topic: was Yahweh part of a polytheistic pantheon, and if so, which? The short answer: yes, he was part of the Canaanite pantheon, and early worshippers of Yahweh also worshipped both Asherah and Ba'al. The worship of Asherah and Ba'al is mentioned several times in the Old Testament, and there is conclusive archaeological evidence of the worship of both these deities in ancient Israel, particularly of the fertility goddess Asherah, of which we see many statuettes and idols. Allusions to the worship of other gods (and the conflict that arises because of this worship), can be found in Exodus (when the Israelites worship the golden calf, which was most likely the Apis Bull), and in Jeremiah (the depiction of the worship of Ba'al and Asherah poles, also known as Asherim). It should be mentioned here that some scholars suggest that Asherah was, at one point, a consort of Yahweh, although this isn't a mainstream theory.

    But what about prior to the pantheon of the ancient Israelites (Ba'al, Asherah, and Yahweh)? Was Yahweh worshipped prior, and if so, did he demand exclusive worship then? Yes, it is theorized that he was worshipped prior to the pantheon of the ancient Israelites and no, he did not demand exclusive worship (few polytheistic gods did, unsurprisingly). Yahweh was worshipped as both Yahwi and Yaw (a storm god and a river god, who are part of the Canaanite pantheon). He was worshipped in conjunction with many other gods, including Asherah (Elat), El'Elyon, and Ba'al.
    yep even in the modern bible god speaks to apparently other colleges in the first chapters.

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    While Old Testament accounts tell of the ancient Israelites annihilating their foes and besieging cities, history tells quite a different narrative. They seem to have originated in a very peaceful manner, as migrants into Canaan from the deserts of Edom, in Southern Levant.
    Why lie about that though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooraan View Post
    Why lie about that though?
    In the early Iron Age, gods had to display power in order to compete with foreign gods. We see depictions of Egyptian gods helping the Egyptians strike down foreign gods, etc. Deities were in many ways a national image during this period. Thus, the depiction of a nice, loving, Bronze Age god (such as early Ishtar, Ilu, or the Jahwist Yahweh who walked amongst Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden) was counterproductive for the ancient Israelites, particularly for the Kohenim, who wanted to create a united, monotheistic kingdom (this period occured in roughly 650 BC).

    The biblical story of Elijah destroying the altar of Ba'al is from this period. Here we see Yahweh directly confronting and besting a competitory god. The story of Aaron destroying the Asherim is also from this period. This is the period called the "priestly sources", and was a direct result of the Babylonian Diaspora. The Israelites needed a reason why their gods allowed the Babylonians to best them, and the Kohenim described the source of the problem as being polytheism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post
    In the early Iron Age, gods had to display power in order to compete with others. We see depictions of Egyptian gods helping the Egyptians strike down foreign gods, etc. Deities were more like a national image than a actual divine being during this period. Thus, the depiction of a nice, Bronze Age god was counterproductive for the ancient Israelites, particularly for the Kohenim, who wanted to create a united, monotheistic kingdom (this period occured in roughly 650 BC).
    But the point of having a monotheistic God is that its the only real God. There wouldn't be much point in having a god stronger than fake ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooraan View Post
    But the point of having a monotheistic God is that its the only real God. There wouldn't be much point in having a god stronger than fake ones.
    Ahura Mazda and Aten are monotheistic Gods as well why not them? A cultural thing I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    Ahura Mazda and Akhenaten are monotheistic Gods as well why not them? A cultural thing I suppose.
    It is almost certain that the ideas for Ahura Mazda (Persian) and Akhenaten (Egyptian) were taken from the captive Jews who were stationed there at the respective times. Having such a monotheistic God runs completely counter to the natural, normal history of those two countries.


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    AA, this is a discussion which ultimately has explanatory power for precisely nothing. Regardless of the fact that you "hypothesize" that YHWH was worshipped with other gods, and even that some stray heretical Jews at one time married this deity to Asherah, the fact remains the same -- nothing there is able to challenge the credibility of the Biblical narrative. This one God totally unique among the human race was conceived of by Hebrews in the Levant; there were tons of idolatry and worshipping Him along with other gods (that's in the Bible), etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooraan View Post
    But the point of having a monotheistic God is that its the only real God. There wouldn't be much point in having a god stronger than fake ones.
    I edited my earlier post, sorry for it's original incompletion

    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    AA, this is a discussion which ultimately has explanatory power for precisely nothing. Regardless of the fact that you "hypothesize" that YHWH was worshipped with other gods, and even that some stray heretical Jews at one time married this deity to Asherah, the fact remains the same -- nothing there is able to challenge the credibility of the Biblical narrative. This one God totally unique among the human race was conceived of by Hebrews in the Levant; there were tons of idolatry and worshipping Him along with other gods (that's in the Bible), etc.
    Firstly, it isn't "my hypothesis", this is historical consensus. Check the pictures of deities worshiped alongside Yahweh for a depiction of Yahweh amongst other deities from the Canaanite Pantheon.

    Secondly, I am not so certain that Asherah was the consort of Yahweh, just because of one artifact that says "Yahweh and his Asherah". That could mean just about anything.

    I also disagree that Yahweh is unique in the human narrative. Ahura Mazda was worshipped as a singular god in the early Iron Age, putting said god before monotheistic Israel. I also like to point out Bronze Age monolatrism, such as the Cult of Aten and the supremacy of Marduk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    AA, this is a discussion which ultimately has explanatory power for precisely nothing. Regardless of the fact that you "hypothesize" that YHWH was worshipped with other gods, and even that some stray heretical Jews at one time married this deity to Asherah, the fact remains the same -- nothing there is able to challenge the credibility of the Biblical narrative. This one God totally unique among the human race was conceived of by Hebrews in the Levant; there were tons of idolatry and worshipping Him along with other gods (that's in the Bible), etc.
    Um, you just admitted that your god was made up by Hebrews. That seems like a pretty big challenge to its credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    Um, you just admitted that your god was made up by Hebrews. That seems like a pretty big challenge to its credibility.
    Nope, whoever first had the thought about this God of mine, the God, has no relevance to whether that concept has independent credibility. I can and have easily demonstrated the existence of God without any reference to the Jews or to extenuating circumstances. The Jewish genius was in discovering Him, alone of all people. Of course the Jewish narrative, one that I accept as accurate, is that He discovered them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post
    Ahura Mazda, the supremacy of Marduk, and the Cult of Aten all predate monotheistic Israel by several hundred years.
    Nope, they don't. I bet you checked this with the same accuracy that you checked the historicity of Jesus -- sweep away all the facts in order to get your skeptical narrative across.


    Quote Originally Posted by Getwulf View Post
    Why is it almost certain...??? Are you saying that those other cultures were too inferior to come up with such a concept...?



    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Aliens View Post
    Do you believe that they were monotheists prior to the Babylonian captivity, during it, or after it? And with what evidence are you validating this belief?
    There was no 'they'. That is your foundational error. Some Hebrews held on to the monotheistic God, some held to polytheistic Gods, and the two were often mixed and intermingled. They had competing views on what the true explanation of the universe was. Sometimes the polytheists had ascendancy, and the Bible records them, when Moses went up the mountain, Aaron the priest of the Hebrew people in his absence converted most of the Hebrews to polytheism. They were two strands in Hebrew thought. By the Babylonian captivity, the Hebrew populace at large, rejected all polytheism in their midst.
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