Illegal Immigrant protests.

[Kanaric]

Can anyone tell me why naturalized citizens want to allow illegals to freely flow into this country? Also can someone tell me why these people call themselves mexican and not american? Can you also tell me why they have no respect what so ever for US law?

I'm going to quote someone on this:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But. this is predicated upon the man's becoming
in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no
divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but
something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one
flag, the American flag ... and this excludes the red flag, which
symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it
excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have
room for but one language here, and that is the English language. And
we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the
American people."

Theodore Roosevelt, the BEST quote on this subject.

I sure wish he was president, not George "Benedict Arnold" Bush. This is seriously getting out of hand, he praises these illegal aliens at a Naturialization cerimony, turning it into nothing but an insult, like some kind of an apelike corporate puppet. I guess its hard to ask for a president that doesn't insult his citizens at every chance he gets.....

Bush and Hillary Clinton are equal on this, which makes me laugh. I guess that should make Bush an ultra-bleeding heart liberal traitor to the republican citizens.

[Shadows]

I can't tell you why people do such a thing. I wish I knew so I could correct it. Get this, in Boston not long ago the police where rounding up illegals. Then about the same time, plans for a day laborers camp(mostly full of illegals mind you) was being planned in the Alexandria?? somewhere close to there. Now how do this work, we kick them out in one area while we help them out in another. Not right, either kick them out or declare them citizens , pick one.

[invictus]

Well perhaps people label themselves as mexicans because within this country that is how they are treated. You can be born in america, but always labeled as a "mexican-american", an "african-american", "asian-american", etc. When it has to do with a "white" person, usually they are just called "white", not "english-white" or so forth.
The reason some people take pity and some dont is in the fact that some are liberal while others are not. It is hard to determine though, but that is the bottom line in my opinion. Also, it is hard to call yourself american as there is no clear idea of what that really is. And on a side note, nothing is wrong with other countries flags being shown, they may just like the way it looks. -Leon

[Shadows]

Yeah well how about the people who live in the US and call themselves citizens, yet refuse to stand in school and recite the pledge of allegiance? Are they really citizens or not?? Obviously they don't wish to be citizens if they don't want to recite the pledge. Well to be mexican-american you have to be american amd mexican and therefore a citizen of the USA. not an illegal immigrant. And how many white people call each other white, not many, whites are usually called that by other races, so its the same thing. And how about cracker (hear that alot describing white people) or how about gringo (the hispanics made white people their own word to describe them) The list goes on, being labeled as african-american would not bother me, being called a cracker or such does though.

[Sétanta]

The people who are protesting got here illegally most likely and survived long enough that they feel they deserve to let their whole families come over too. Hey, they probably want to let all of Mexico come here.

Too bad there are Americans in the way

[RusskiSoldat]

Us legal immigrants aren't too integrated either.
I can speak for damn near everyone over here that if we have any national allegiance, it's to either Russia or Ukraine.
In some rarer cases Belarus.
I could live all my life here without speaking a word of English.

[Jesus The Inane]

Us legal immigrants aren't too integrated either.
I can speak for damn near everyone over here that if we have any national allegiance, it's to either Russia or Ukraine.
In some rarer cases Belarus.
I could live all my life here without speaking a word of English.

There lies the problem. There is no loyalty in the mind of most immigrants. Afterall, have they not betrayed their country of origin in the first place? They are worthless for a nation. If the going gets tough, what will they do? They'll just leave to somewhere where prosperity exist. Does a country need people like this? No. In war, what use is there for them?

Furthermore, I am quite certain that if the USA would have stop/drastically decrease the amount of immigrants coming into the country, the USA would have developed a culture of its own. And a country needs/requires its culture. The immigrants in the USA are not allowing this to happen.

It really is quite irrational, comments such as this, RusskiSoldat -- Your preference for Russian custom instead of American custom, your lack of loyalty for the country you live in... For such belief is not base on logic, but on the mere emotion that you should be proud of your "blood," I will continue to argue this point below.

The people who are protesting got here illegally most likely and survived long enough that they feel they deserve to let their whole families come over too. Hey, they probably want to let all of Mexico come here.

Exactly, they don't think what is good for the country, but what is good for themselves. They protest not from knowledge, but because they don't want to see their grandma or other family members be send back to where they came from -- its all base on emotions.

[Garbarsardar]

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an Algonquin and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But. this is predicated upon the man's becoming
in very fact an Algonquin, and nothing but an Algonquin. There can be no
divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Algonquin, but
something else also, isn't an Algonquin at all. We have room for but one
flag, the Algonquin flag ... and this excludes the red flag, which
symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it
excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have
room for but one language here, and that is the Algonquin language. And
we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the
Algonquin people."

It is a good things the Indians never thought of establishing such pre-requisites...

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(made your picture a link instead, it's too huge, makes some mad side scrolling here,-Archer)

[maxiumus_pooh]

Illegals actually refer to their flooding of our boarders as the 'reconquista'. Whites cant even walk through some neibourhoods due to the hispanic and asian gangs.
They should fix their own :wub: countries and stay their, not mooch of the hard work of ours, and our ancestors who created north america.

[Jesus The Inane]

Such cultural diversity qualifies as a culture all of its own.

Oh yeah, well, tell me what is the American culture?

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

It is a good things the Indians never thought of establishing such pre-requisites...

LOL!

They should fix their own :wub: countries and stay their, not mooch of the hard work of ours, and our ancestors who created north america.

If they go back to fix their own '*expletive* countries', will you clean your own *expletive* toilets and do all the other *expletive* jobs that they currently do because they are too *expletive* for your delicate sensibilities? Why do you think they are in your country? Why do you think your President recognises that your country can't actually just kick them all out without a massive economic impact? They dig your crops, wash your dishes and clean your bathrooms because you guys are too lazy. Be grateful.

[deno59]

LOL!



If they go back to fix their own '*expletive* countries', will you clean your own *expletive* toilets and do all the other *expletive* jobs that they currently do because they are too *expletive* for your delicate sensibilities? Why do you think they are in your country? Why do you think your President recognises that your country can't actually just kick them all out without a massive economic impact? They dig your crops, wash your dishes and clean your bathrooms because you guys are too lazy. Be grateful.

Do Keep in Mind of this though, The white population is quickly decreasing very fast. The Black Population is decreasing slowly and the Mexican Population is increasing very very quickly

Hey dont generalize Americans and who generalize Immigrants are wrong as well. I believe it has to do with more about the population and economy then anything else. There are a lot of Bad Mexicans and some Good Mexicans that sneak over the border that is just the way it goes. There are illegal drugs being brought to America through Mexican borders everyday. There are a lot of bad things that happen over there. Realize this they wont be cleaning up after wealthy Americans forever there kids surely wont do it. So who will do it then? They claim by 2020 that the Mexican Americna population will be the biggest population in America so there for whites and then black will be right under it. There will be problems because of this because Spanish will be spoken more in U.S. then in English. Crime will actually rise because there will not be enough jobs to go around due to the increase in Population. I do believe mexicans will vote for another mexican for president even if he is a idiot than a white man or black simply because he is mexican. Some the U.S. will fall behind everyone else and it will simply just become a 2nd Mexico. If they stop the increase now then it can slow down and America can balance itself for the future. If not then we will fall behind rather quickly I am not going to say we will turn into a 3rd world country, but we will be poor and there will be a lot of people fight for jobs everyday. U.S. will just be chaos and the economy will fall very quickly. The Mexican Immigrants may work hard for what they believe in because they know what being poor is like but there children will not have the same sympathy and they will call themselves Mexican and they dont know what it is like to be Mexican because they never been to Mexico before. They are trying to stop every immigrant not just mexicans I forgot to mention that and sorry for my english.

[danzig]

LOL!
If they go back to fix their own '*expletive* countries', will you clean your own *expletive* toilets and do all the other *expletive* jobs that they currently do because they are too *expletive* for your delicate sensibilities? Why do you think they are in your country? Why do you think your President recognises that your country can't actually just kick them all out without a massive economic impact? They dig your crops, wash your dishes and clean your bathrooms because you guys are too lazy. Be grateful.

[/quote]

Its a circular argument and not as clear cut as you are making it out to be, people wont do jobs that dont pay wages that are livable but and there is no need
to pay those wages if you have illegals who will do the jobs for much less which is still more then they would get in their home country. While I agree there is probably
not much of a rush by American citizens to rush into the toilet cleaning industry it is still a problem.

Anyway, the problem is illegals not immigrants themselves and the US has every right to enforce its own existing laws to prevent illegals from coming into the country in
such vast numbers because it hilights a even bigger problem, the fact we have absolutely no control over our borders both Canadian and Mexico side.

[David Deas]

Furthermore, I am quite certain that if the USA would have stop/drastically decrease the amount of immigrants coming into the country, the USA would have developed a culture of its own. And a country needs/requires its culture. The immigrants in the USA are not allowing this to happen.

Thats a very ignorant statement.

Such cultural diversity qualifies as a culture all of its own.

[ShangTang]

Close the border. Make every illegal a citizen. Call it a day.

Too bad Congress won't grow some balls and actually lock down our borders. Homeland security my ass.

[Lee1026]

I have a different idea - loosen up the borders for legal immigrantion and then slap a 100K fine on anyone caught to be hiring a illegal. That should dry things up.

[deno59]

I have a different idea - loosen up the borders for legal immigrantion and then slap a 100K fine on anyone caught to be hiring a illegal. That should dry things up.

But what about the America? How can we handle a over flow of immigrants coming to America if we do this? If there are too many immigrants in America then we there wont be very many jobs open anymore to any even them. Also not all immigrants are good some are very bad and a lot of crimes occur if they cant find a job. Because they reason for them being in America is to find better lives and to earn alot of money for there families in Mexico. All I know is the border crisis will make or crush the U.S. How come they cant just come to America legally? Why do they always sneak across the border illegally?

[JP226]

this is rediculous. Why not have theives protest shoplifiting law...

what's even worse is the senate panel approved this :wub: broad immigration bill. Forget what the majority of the country wants and let's accomidate the breaking of our laws. Thankyou senate. You know once it passes the panel it'll be voted in and Bush doesn't veto.

[Jesus The Inane]

I didn't say that you did believe this, I simply asked if you did. I asked that because you keep stressing this idea of 200 million Mexicans within 14 years, with the strong implication that this is unquestioningly a 'bad thing'. So I'm asking what is bad about it. Is there something inherently wrong with Mexicans? If not (and you say there isn't), where exactly is the problem? And why are you singling out Mexicans in your argument?

You know, a culture says a lot about the people who possess the culture. There is a reason why the Roman Culture conquered so much, why the Greek culture was so intellectual, and why the Mexican country is a third world country (2nd?). Now imagine the implications of having the Mexican culture running the show in the US of A. What about if the USA goes to war with Mexico... I see a conflict happening in there. Most of the time when I ask a Mexican/Chicano this question, they say that they would fight for Mexico...

[Aristophanes]

You know, a culture says a lot about the people who possess the culture. There is a reason why the Roman Culture conquered so much, why the Greek culture was so intellectual, and why the Mexican country is a third world country (2nd?). Now imagine the implications of having the Mexican culture running the show in the US of A. What about if the USA goes to war with Mexico... I see a conflict happening in there. Most of the time when I ask a Mexican/Chicano this question, they say that they would fight for Mexico...

Thank you. This is the heart of the issue, the only thing pertinent. None of us who are concerned about excessive immigration are concerned with 'race', we're concerned by creed and culture. Culture determines the way people act in government, the way they choose governments, and the way they act towards government. Some cultures are highly developed in the sense that they are permissive of, and nurturing of, the better forms of government, and the better governing ethics: some are much worse so. The latter, if they became dominant in the United States, would effectively destroy the prosperity and freedom of the inhabitants. We don't really want that. So, immigration HAS to be conducted in such a way that the immigrants assimilate into the current national identity, rather than try to change it to fit their particular culture, with all its attendent dangers.