Seleucid vs Macedon

[Ender Wiggin]

What's the point of even using Macedon?

Phalanx: Equal
Cavalry: Seleucid
Shock units (Elephants, chariots, etc): Seleucid
Heavy infantry: Seleucid by default
Missile: Macedonia
Missile cavalry: Equal unless you count elephants.


Furthermore, even if you take nothing but legions for infantry and bring cataphracts, a Seleucid army can even take praetorian cav/urban spam, in essence, outromaning the romans.

[Equilibrius]

Macedon was not intended for use, only through editing the descr_strat has that become possible.

There is evidence, however, that they could be a selectable faction, such as an already made description.

[nemgod]

Macedon was not intended for use, only through editing the descr_strat has that become possible.

There is evidence, however, that they could be a selectable faction, such as an already made description.

This

Although I have no idea what CA were thinking when they came up with the map and who you could and could not play as in RTW as it mostly did not make sense (3 romans and Egypt being 1500 years out of date).

[daxypoo]

the reason for playing macedon is to have early game access to greece's economies and strategic position on the game map

the reason for playing macedon is the ability to get a solid basic army with tier 1/2 buildings
(more than adequate to hold off anything the ai in campaign mode can dish out)

the starting game for seleucia needs to be played at a with a certain amount of "feverish pitch" and sometimes i dont want that

as far as comparing units mace doesnt have missile cav-- they have light lancers; 2nd tier-greek cav lol
and comparing seleucid legions with rome's is not realistic

most of my seleucid armies in campaign consist of at least 8/9 missile cav and a general cav anyways (these armies most easily deal with the early campaign game as far as my playstyle is concerned)

[caesar_37th]

if you are looking at campaign the Macedonians are better. If you are looking at the unit roster the selucids are better. If you are looking at mp the selucids have a slight but easily overcome advantage.

[Parthicus]

What's the point of even using Macedon?

Phalanx: Equal
Cavalry: Seleucid
Shock units (Elephants, chariots, etc): Seleucid
Heavy infantry: Seleucid by default
Missile: Macedonia
Missile cavalry: Equal unless you count elephants.


Furthermore, even if you take nothing but legions for infantry and bring cataphracts, a Seleucid army can even take praetorian cav/urban spam, in essence, outromaning the romans.

umm, the Macedonian and Seleucid phalanx are in No way equal. The Macedonian phalanx would absolutely trash the Seleucids. For cavalry, the Seleucids do not win always. Their cataphracts are very slow, Companion cavalry can run around them and surround them. For shock units, they are defeated by the Macedonian's phalanx. The seleucid heavy infantry is a laughing matter if attacked by Royal Pikemen.

[Ender Wiggin]

umm, the Macedonian and Seleucid phalanx are in No way equal. The Macedonian phalanx would absolutely trash the Seleucids. For cavalry, the Seleucids do not win always. Their cataphracts are very slow, Companion cavalry can run around them and surround them. For shock units, they are defeated by the Macedonian's phalanx. The seleucid heavy infantry is a laughing matter if attacked by Royal Pikemen.

Lolno.

Cataphracts with mace absolutely trounce overpriced Companions. It's just no contest. Combined with the fact that it's easy to counter a cavalry envelopment and 4 mace wielding cataphracts could take 5 companions, Seleucid wins cavalry hands down, assuming that chariots don't come in and massacre the companions.

Phalanx does not beat elephant in the butt. Sorry bro.

Those silver shield legionaries are just as good as Legionary cohorts, and have the almighty pila.

As for phalanx vs. phalanx. even if the RP do win, it's after a very long time, and by such time the RP will have gotten cataphract'd in the butt.

[TheFoolOnTheHill]

Those chariots can be fired on by archers arrows and get the crap beaten out of them and turn there own units

[Ungotter]

Sounds like you're pretty mad brah.
Royal Pikes are pretty damn good infantry. So the Seleucids have silver shields? How about you engage them with Infantry and smack them in the back with cav, tbh I don't know wtf you're doing stood there letting them use pilae really. Oh dem catas gun get u son? How about you try and seperate cataphracts and surround individual units. You could even use a phalanx, spear units. Y'know units that are designed to beat cav? Cretan archers trump normal Archers, so then you got some pretty powerful archers left over to do some damage.
Elephants get routed by fire arrows and run amok and destroy their own units. I've seen them do it, chariots also do the same. Both of these units also break allied unit formations leaving them in a mess.

Basically you're not playing to your strengths.

[Ender Wiggin]

Let's assume, arguendo, that I can't maneuver my cataphracts. You're wrong, but I'll let you have it.

I instead bring 2 cataphracts and 3 companions vs 5 companions. Seleucids win.

Infantry fight: 1 unit of heavily upgraded silver shield pikemen advance on one unit of RP on one wing. Silver shield legionaries hang back, so that any RP who dare flank get pila'd in the side, then flanked. If the macedonians advance the rest of the phalanx without the wing, a unit of legionaries rush up by friendly silver shield unit and butcher royal pikemen while other legionaries hold them in place. Seleucids win.


And nobody even brings cretan archers in MP because they cost so dang much. For the price difference of two cretans vs two normal archers, you could bring another Royal Pikemen squadron.

[Parthicus]

I could beat you with Macedon.

[Ender Wiggin]

I could beat you with Macedon.

You can't. Your strategies are all easy to predict. They follow the same basic format.

Your theory suggests Macedon has no chance, this is one of many cases I have seen that not to be true. As I said, you're doing it wrong.

No, my theory suggests there's no reason to use Macedon when the Seleucids get equal or better in everything except archers, and an ever so slightly superior phalanx.




And then, there's carthage.



Phalanx: Carthage uber elite phalanx is only more expensive by 20 denarii,
Cavalry: Sacred band cavalry pwn companions and are only slightly more expensive
Missile: Macedon hands down
Shock: Carthage
Light Cavalry: Equal
Missile cav: Carthage by default
Non-phalanx: Carthage


Overall, I just think Macedon is overrated.

[ChivalrousKiller]

There's no such faction as the Seleucid Empire

[Parthicus]

touche

[KingofPoland]

If the seleucids are that good, then why does macedon always outlive them. Macedon always tears everything around apart until the Brutii's arrival.

[Ungotter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Gq-...el_video_title

Your theory suggests Macedon has no chance, this is one of many cases I have seen that not to be true. As I said, you're doing it wrong.

[jbelaguas]

Well, in MP, I'm sure the better player will always beat a mediocre one, no matter the faction. Macedon is fairly unique and stable enough, especially campaign-wise.

And cmon, it's the Seleucids...they literally have everything except horse archers.

[Punic Hoplite]

And cmon, it's the Seleucids...they literally have everything except horse archers.

No, they don't have warbands

[TheFoolOnTheHill]

Macedon is beast

[Ender Wiggin]

Macedon is beast

Seleucids are uber beast.