Islam:Religion of hate,violence and intolerance or religion of peace and tolerance?

[Panic]

Islam: What the West Needs to Know

This documentary sets out to investigate the notion that Islam is a religion of peace and explore the widely circulated idea that those who commit violent acts in the name of Islam are a fanatic few. The filmmakers try to hold Islam’s own sources to the light to make the controversial claim that the religion is actually driven by a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks to conquer any contradictory religion, culture, and, ultimately, government.
This film is by far the most interesting presentation of Islam that I have yet to see. I recommend viewers be fully awake before attempting to watch it, as some amount of concentration is required to reap the full benefits of this documentary.
Packed with direct quotes from the Koran and other reliable sources, along with compelling visuals and tasteful interviews, it will challenge even the experts. Is violence built into the Moslem ideology?



Friend of mines point of view on islam:

Problem with islam is that they dont allow any kind of investigation or research of the religion. Because of this we have no idea what islam is and not. If such thing should be made the koran would be a very diffrent religion.

The muslims say that the words in the koran is the words direct from god. But how can we know this if we have no evidence. Also The koran has borrowed much from christianity and Judaism and also from pagan religions, all which were practised in that area.

A small investigation has be done by a german scholar, here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1JsyFrpKg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk40dR8UpaU

and another amazing thing is how the muslims pray, which they took from the jews. but no muslim would even admit that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg

Personal thoughts on the video/documentary:

It's an interesting video but ultimately it fails because it lacks balance (an alternative point of view in defense of the Koran) and does little to place the selected verses in context. I ended up learning quite alot but from one point of view, which is never healthy.

If I want to know about the Koran ,which I do then I'll have to hear otherside as well.The reason I posted this thread is about "me" trying to make sense of this.If there's anyone who could counter the so called "ideas and truths what are presented in the video then I'd be most glad to hear it".

[Dr. Croccer]

This is to be at least the third thread based on that video.

[Helm]

I think it would help if Muslims could go through the Quran or the hadiths and and just cross out anything that "sounds a bit dodgy". So it may be a significantly shorter holy text.

[PointOfViewGun]

Is violence built into the Moslem ideology?

You pretty much discredit the documentary that you base this thread on yourself by calling it one-sided. If you really want the answer read the chapters which contains the verses people point out as problematic. You gotta decide on one thing first though; Is it Islam itself you're searching violence in or is history of Muslims you're searching violence in?

[CamilleBonparte]

I really don't know how this confusion could possibly come about, what with the Quran being free of contradiction and all.

[PointOfViewGun]

I really don't know how this confusion could possibly come about, what with the Quran being free of contradiction and all.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Darth_Revan]

I have a question why is it only Islam being questioned as a religion of violence etc. has anyone that ask these questions open up a history book and look at the history of Christianity or any other religion? Every religion can be used as tools of hate, violence, and intolerance the same way it can be used for peace and tolerance.

[Helm]

I have a question why is it only Islam being questioned as a religion of violence etc. has anyone that ask these questions open up a history book and look at the history of Christianity or any other religion? Every religion can be used as tools of hate, violence, and intolerance the same way it can be used for peace and tolerance.

Christianity was violent inspite of what Jesus said and did he was a pacifist at least. Mohammed was a bit more like a regular man of his time.

[CelticWarlord]

Christianity was violent inspite of what Jesus said and did he was a pacifist at least.

So? It doesn't matter what Jesus was like if the people who followed after him did things violent e.g crusades?

[total relism]

If your looking for both sides watch debates

David Wood vs. Ali Ataie: "Who Was Muhammad?"

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...e-who-was.html

Osama Abdallah vs. David Wood: "Was Muhammad a True Prophet?"


http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...-wood-was.html





http://www.answeringmuslims.com/
under debates
Sam Shamoun vs. Nadir Ahmed: “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?”

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...-is-islam.html

"Is Islam a Religion of Peace?" Abdullah Andalusi and Yahya Seymour vs. Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009...-abdullah.html


when Muslims feel threaten they can seek peace,they can pretend to be peaceful outwardly,but not inwardly 3.28
when Islam has upper hand, such as Muhammad after he became leader of medina
47.35 they are to never ask for peace

reward for fighting
only sure way of going to heaven is to die in battle for islam
cannot enter paradise until you proven in battle your a true believer 3.140-144
those that fight [in battle] for islam in war receive heaven, hell for those that dont 48.16-20
those that die in battle for islam will go to paradise 47 4-6
anyone who dies in battle for god will be richly compensated 4.74
those that die in battle will be forgiven all there sins, and will go to heaven 3.195
promised reward for those that fight in battle 4.95-97 98-101
reward of heaven for those that die in battle 3.169-172
those who fight in war for allah and Muhammad get rewarded with paradise 9.87-90
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
allah rewards for fighting and jihad 4.74 9.89
in hadiths Muhammad taught if a person died in jihad they would get 70 virgins with 70 palaces
hadith 53 vol 4 book 52 praises dying for islam martyrdom
die in jihad guarantee paradise, not suicide intent to kill others 9.111
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

in the first century after Muhammad died and start of abu bakr Islam spread through battle from across north Africa up to Spain across Asia and India

If believers do not fight
fighting is obligated for believers,much as they dislike it 2.216
cannot enter paradise until you proven in battle your a true believer 3.140-144
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
those that fight [in battle] for islam in war receive heaven, hell for those that dont 48.16-20
a woeful scourge falls on arabs who do not fight in war 9.87-90
put to death deserter wherever you find them 4 87-90
those that dont fight in battle for god are not equal to those that do 4.95
those that dont fight that are able, are unclean and will be punished in hell 9.94-96
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
believers who fight in war for islam,are not to be friends with those who have yet to join in war 8.70-75
Muslims who fight for god,are held higher by god than others and are promised paradise 9.20-22
if Muslims will not go to war god will punish them sternly 9.38-39


unbelievers
islam is only religion in world that has mandate violence against non believers verse 9.5
unbelievers are enemies 4.101
seek out the unbelievers relentlessly 4.103-104
fight against them until idolatry is no more and gods religion reigns supreme 2.192-93
Muhammad is to make war with nonbelievers and deal sternly with them 66.9
non believers will be known by there looks, and will be sieged by there feet 55.41
large numbers of mass killings by allah towards unbelievers in koran
god tells Muhammad to make war on unbelievers and hypocrites and to deal rigorously with them 9.73-74
followers of islam are ruthless to unbelievers, but merciful to each other 48.29
make war on infidels who who live around you 9.123
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
make war on idolaters until islam reins supreme 8.29-40
dont let unbelievers think they will ever get away,muster against them all men and Calvary strike terror into the enemies of god 8.57-60
make war with unbelievers 9.1-13 unless they join the faith
Muslims cannot be friends with brothers or fathers if they are unbelievers 9.21-24
fight against unbelievers who have been given scripture and do not believe [jews Christians] until they pay tribute and are subdued 9.29-31
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
believers are told to not be friends with non-believers 60.1 and to not show them kindness 60 8-9 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 it is evil to be friends with unbelievers 5 80-82
jews Christians shall burn in hell forever 98.1-7
jews Christians are perverse 9.29-30




armed men during prayer, believers must always be on guard 4.102
those that make war against allah or Muhammad shall be slain or crucified 5.33
if anyone thinks god will not give victory to Muhammad they should hang themselves 22.15-16
a son killed for his unbelief 18.75-18.82
believers will kill,and be killed for the cause of god 9.111
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
a call to fight any who break their oath with islam or who conspire to banish Muhammad9.13
go to war well armed or ill equipped to march and fight for the cause of allah 9.41
true believers will beg to go to war 9.43-47
for cristising islam your fingers are chopped off than your had than you go to hell 8.10-13
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
about 100 times jihad is mentioned in hadiths with sword war or military effort,at the end he mentions jihad within the spiritual struggle once.
when Muslims die in jihad mosque celebrate wedding not funeral because he is know married in haven to his hours in paradise family celebrates. [in middle east]
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586


Muhammad
He was born in mecca,arabia born 570 ad lived 62 years
at age 40 in 610 he received his first revelation,koran written over 22 years
arab christian jews rejected Muhammad in mecca and drove him out in 622 ad, islam moved from mecca to medina 280 miles north in 622 AD. Year 0 for Muslims
Very early Muhammad was seeking acceptance from jews Christians and was very peaceful, he said things like be tolerant over other religions etc.
Than he shifted after they would not accept him, and he moved to medina ,built first mosque in medina. He first perched on friday becoming islamic holy day .
He received revaluations to drive out jews in medina,he led 66 battles in medina had 2,000 jews beheaded and there bodies burned in medina .
629 AD with 10,000 men he returned and conquered mecca and slaughtered thousands and forced conversions.
following Muhammad death islam was spread by the sword in the “war of apostasy”witch lasted 100 years.
Began first by caliph [leader] abu bakr, when many in Arabia wanted to leave Islam, after Muhammad death, killing tens of thousands,while caring out Muhammad orders of killing anyone who leaves Islam



many versus from in Koran that came from mecca sound peaceful tolerant,than when he gained power in median he starts to turn violent towards the end of his career
2.256 written in 614 ad 9.5 in 627 ad, chapter 9 is last chapter written and 2.108 does away with previous scripture so chapter 9 should be of most authority.




“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
he chopped off heads of jews and dug there graves first, 600-900 people also ordered many assassinations of political opponents
in hadiths it said Muhammad tortured jews for information burned out there eyes
book of life of Muhammad p464
he wiped out 3 tribes of jews in arabia
Muhammad said on his death bed,whoever relinquishes his faith kill him
in hadiths Muhammad claimed god told him to fight people until they became Muslim.
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them sura 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
Muhammad ordered people to lie in order to kill other people p307 the life of Muhammad




muhhamad had 12 wives the youngest was 9 years old vol 7 book 62 hadith 88
Muhammad has fought withith many large armies
believers cannot bother Muhammad with familiar talk or he will be annoyed anoyed
no speaking ill of Muhammad 33.53-54
Muhammad kept spoils from attacking a unarmed caravan to mecca from syria he led the battle in 624 AD 8.1
led battle in 630 ad vs meccans
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
muhamud told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
considered perfect man to try to replicate him


instead of starting a peaceful religion in medina when he was no longer oppressed, but instead waged war until his death many years later.
In the hadiths Muhammad said fighting is worth more than all the world


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

blessed a follower for driving a bow through someones eye and out the back

[PointOfViewGun]

If your looking for both sides watch debates

It's quite pathetic to base arguments on taking things out of context and half-lies. Go on though. It's the product of an ignorant mind. Thanks for exposing that website.

[Helm]

So? It doesn't matter what Jesus was like if the people who followed after him did things violent e.g crusades?

Whatever they were up to it wasn't directly inspired by anything Jesus himself had said.

[Epicurean]

Islam is definetaly a religion of peace and tolerance rather than violence and intolerance. Idiots who judge a billion peopleby the worst thousand may think otherwise.

[SPECTREtm]

I have a question why is it only Islam being questioned as a religion of violence etc. has anyone that ask these questions open up a history book and look at the history of Christianity or any other religion? Every religion can be used as tools of hate, violence, and intolerance the same way it can be used for peace and tolerance.

There is major flaw in your question. Christianity has moved on and gone through a lot of reforms and isn't the ruling law of countries anymore, Islam on the other hand...

[Mortality]

No.. Christianity is full of violence and hate.

I don't give a flying if God told you to kill that Islamic guy.

[Eofor]

Why do people constantly talk about religions as if they were people?

[Poet]

Islam: What the West Needs to Know

This documentary sets out to investigate the notion that Islam is a religion of peace and explore the widely circulated idea that those who commit violent acts in the name of Islam are a fanatic few. The filmmakers try to hold Islam’s own sources to the light to make the controversial claim that the religion is actually driven by a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks to conquer any contradictory religion, culture, and, ultimately, government.
This film is by far the most interesting presentation of Islam that I have yet to see. I recommend viewers be fully awake before attempting to watch it, as some amount of concentration is required to reap the full benefits of this documentary.
Packed with direct quotes from the Koran and other reliable sources, along with compelling visuals and tasteful interviews, it will challenge even the experts. Is violence built into the Moslem ideology?



Friend of mines point of view on islam:
Personal thoughts on the video/documentary:

It's an interesting video but ultimately it fails because it lacks balance (an alternative point of view in defense of the Koran) and does little to place the selected verses in context. I ended up learning quite alot but from one point of view, which is never healthy.

If I want to know about the Koran ,which I do then I'll have to hear otherside as well.The reason I posted this thread is about "me" trying to make sense of this.If there's anyone who could counter the so called "ideas and truths what are presented in the video then I'd be most glad to hear it".

After this I did not read the OP let alone the whole thread.

Problem with islam is that they dont allow any kind of investigation or research of the religion. Because of this we have no idea what islam is and not. If such thing should be made the koran would be a very diffrent religion.

Qur'an insists us to investigate the facts and then belive or spread them, this was in fact base for Islamic scientific revolution too, and Hadith says that it is enough to prove someone a liar if he spreads some words heard from one side without investigating.

Surely you and your friends know a lot about Islam.

[Helm]

There is something about the phrase "religion of peace" that sounds slightly sinister to me, in any case it ought to be self evident.

[AdamWeishaupt]

This documentary ...

My horse has watched the docu. I have been too lazy.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

If you look at the way Mohammad took the city of Mecca and the way he treated his enemy's and his rules that you never kill women or kids in a war (something that was usually done by his enemy's) You will find him a good man.He choose peace over war when ever he could also.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgiB...yer_detailpage